Court orders dakota acces pipeline shut

moonshine · 2020-07-06T17:21:08.901Z

a couple of questions then

how much more are you willing to pay for gasoline or heating your house.

as building pipelines gets more and more expensive due to delays the costs will shoot up.
if DAPL stays shut that means oilgets shipped by truck and rail which is more dangerous.
DAPL is actually running along the same corridor that a pipeline has been operating for decades (nothern borders pipeline now owned by oneok)

you say you’re opposed to fracking. what do you suggest instead? us being almost totally reliant on foreign oil?

moonshine · 2020-07-06T17:22:29.866Z

Smyrna:

Bigjohn:

Fracking is a perfectly safe process. There is a lot of nonsense talked about hydraulic fracturing and it’s effects.

My fear is an earthquake that cracks a fissure from where the chemicals are below ground, up to the fresh water supply.

most fracking is done in seismically stable areas

moonshine · 2020-07-06T17:23:04.206Z

Ben_Natuf:

the number of votes he got getting confirmed is immaterial. Republicans are not democrats. In most cases they affirm the justices a democrat President nominates. Only in unusual circumstances or extreme choices is it otherwise.

ask merrick garland about that

Smyrna · 2020-07-06T17:24:10.259Z

moonshine:

most fracking is done in seismically stable areas

Isn’t fracking causing seismic instability? IMO it’s a very real concern and it affects all of us.

usgs.gov

Oklahoma has had a surge of earthquakes since 2009. Are they due to fracking? ...

Beginning in 2009, Oklahoma experienced a surge in seismicity. This surge was so large that its rate of magnitude 3 and larger earthquakes exceeded California’s from 2014 through 2017. While these earthquakes have been induced by oil and gas...

Ben_Natuf · 2020-07-06T17:37:03.892Z

unusual circumstances and previous precedent both. get over it

Bigjohn · 2020-07-06T17:39:35.370Z

Well you have to make sure you have done a good cement job around the casing to stop the wicking of fluids. To be honest I would be more worried about disposal of the return fluids.

SixFoot · 2020-07-06T17:40:24.436Z

WuWei:

My guess is if they reroute the line to actually go onto the reservation and paid some kind royalties, the concern about the water would go away.

■■■■ talks, money walks.

Bigjohn · 2020-07-06T17:46:41.561Z

Not i the landman does a good job and they do good geophysics and geotechnical work it shouldn’t be an issue however a lot of the rush for cheap shale oil has been done by corner cutters. This price bust has shown what a sort of three card Monte shale oil really is and what sort of people have been involved now I am not talking the likes of Oxy, Hess or Exxon but I mean the small operators who put profit over standards

sikofit · 2020-07-06T17:54:58.218Z

Ben_Natuf:

unusual circumstances and previous precedent both. get over it

No, there was no previous precedent. At no point in American history has a Supreme Court nominee been held up for almost a year until a new President was voted in.

Smyrna · 2020-07-06T17:59:04.042Z

Bigjohn:

Not i the landman does a good job and they do good geophysics and geotechnical work it shouldn’t be an issue however a lot of the rush for cheap shale oil has been done by corner cutters. This price bust has shown what a sort of three card Monte shale oil really is and what sort of people have been involved now I am not talking the likes of Oxy, Hess or Exxon but I mean the small operators who put profit over standards

Thank you for the honesty. I truly question the risk all of us have to our fresh water supply, for the huge financial reward shared by the few.

JayJay · 2020-07-06T18:19:11.915Z

Ben_Natuf:

unusual circumstances and previous precedent both. get over it

Nope because McConnell has already said if the same situation happens this year, he’s nominating someone and the Senate will confirm them.

Politics, not unusual circumstances/precedent.

DougBH · 2020-07-06T18:19:52.906Z

From the article: “The decision marked the end of a yearslong legal battle over the Energy Transfer Partners-owned pipeline’s environmental damage to the Missouri River.”

This is not a suit over any environmental damage to the Missouri River. There has been none.
This is hardly the end, as the hold on the use of the pipeline until a more detailed review that conforms to the judges desires is performed will be appealed.

CanadianJudo · 2020-07-06T18:29:03.968Z

Doubtful.

WuWei · 2020-07-06T18:31:57.130Z

CanadianJudo:

Doubtful.

CanadianJudo · 2020-07-06T18:33:23.790Z

You dont think the company already offered the money.

WuWei · 2020-07-06T18:34:51.370Z

CanadianJudo:

You dont think the company already offered the money.

No. And I am not talking about a one-time payment.

Grimalken · 2020-07-06T19:19:55.612Z

Really makes me wonder why the federal government did not bother to hear from the tribes back during the Obama administration, where this all started

Bigjohn · 2020-07-06T19:27:49.254Z

Sounds like it boils down to , very, bad stakeholder identification and management. We did a job in Brazil and we did bad due diligence and failed to identify one small faction and it held up start up for many months

Yossarian · 2020-07-06T19:41:59.282Z

Grimalken:

Really makes me wonder why the federal government did not bother to hear from the tribes back during the Obama administration, where this all started

Because “this” started in 2017 and Obama was’t president…

“President Donald Trump granted the permit in 2017 over the objections of the Standing Rock Sioux Tribe and environmental activists…”

Grimalken · 2020-07-06T20:20:24.622Z

According to this link, the input for the project started back in 2014, and construction started back in 2016.

Dakota Access Pipeline - Wiki

It has been operating since June 2017, and I seriously doubt Trump started the surveying, EPA review and all the red tape between states and feds and the pipeline’s construction and completed and operating, in six months flat. Well, more like five months and some change.