Couldn't Have Said it Better Myself

[ImRightYoureWrong]

@Jezcoe

I am really trying to wrap my head around this.

It’s like trying to divide by zero

[mobulis]

@peek-a-boo

@mobulis

Your RW talking points don’t negate the fact that they did make the case

They simply recited the talking point that Trump isn’t a fiscal conservative because we have deficit spending.

That is nothing but a talking point from those who really have no clue what they are talking about.

The only case that has been made is that those reciting the talking points don’t understand the difference between supply side and Keynesian economic theory.

Your RW talking points STILL don’t negate the fact that they did make the case

[ComfortablyNumb]

@peek-a-boo

@mobulis

Your RW talking points don’t negate the fact that they did make the case

They simply recited the talking point that Trump isn’t a fiscal conservative because we have deficit spending.

That is nothing but a talking point from those who really have no clue what they are talking about.

The only case that has been made is that those reciting the talking points don’t understand the difference between supply side and Keynesian economic theory.

You still have not answered the question as to why the fiscally conservative President submitted a budget proposal that explodes the deficit, explodes the debt, and does not attempt to balance the budget. Do you want to try to reconcile for us how this budget proposal is even remotely conservative fiscally? Or will you continue to ignore this glaring and obvious evidence of him not being fiscally conservative?

[Jezcoe]

@peek-a-boo

@Jezcoe

Not at all.

There are definitely times when the deficit is expected to go up and it is even a good thing that it does go up.

An economic downturn is one of those times.

But we are not in an economic down downturn… nor have we been in one for quite a while.

Before Trump took office, the deficit was going down. Now two years in it has exploded to levels not seen since there was an enormous financial meltdown.

Ten years ago, deficit spending at this level meant that we were shambling towards Socialism.

Now it is a mark of fiscal Conservatism.

I am really trying to wrap my head around this.

So are you trying to make the case that Obama was a fiscal conservative? Seriously???

Nope. Obama is Keynesian. But we aren’t talking about Obama here.

What we are talking about is that we have two situations ten years apart. Both with huge deficits but one occurred in a global economic meltdown and the other is occurring at full employment.

The former was proof that Socialism was imminent and had to be beat back. The second is is proof that the President is fiscally conservative.

If the results look the same I am trying to understand from a supply side view why one instance of massive deficit spending is bad and the other good.

[peek-a-boo]

@Jezcoe

Nope. Obama is Keynesian. But we aren’t talking about Obama here.

What we are talking about is that we have two situations ten years apart. Both with huge deficits but one occurred in a global economic meltdown and the other is occurring at full employment.

The former was proof that Socialism was imminent and had to be beat back. The second is is proof that the President is fiscally conservative.

If the results look the same I am trying to understand from a supply side view why one instance of massive deficit spending is bad and the other good

Do you doubt Trump is a Supply Sider?

[ImRightYoureWrong]

@peek-a-boo

Do you doubt Trump is a Supply Sider?

Are tax credits to farmers and trade wars “supply side”?

[peek-a-boo]

@ComfortablyNumb

You still have not answered the question as to why the fiscally conservative President submitted a budget proposal that explodes the deficit, explodes the debt, and does not attempt to balance the budget. Do you want to try to reconcile for us how this budget proposal is even remotely conservative fiscally? Or will you continue to ignore this glaring and obvious evidence of him not being fiscally conservative?

I believe I now see where this is going.

We really aren’t talking about fiscal conservatism at all. We are talking about conservative deficit hawks. I will concede that point. Trump is no deficit hawk. I’m not either.

The reality is that we need both DEMs and REPs to get things done in Washington. So in the end it really comes down to which hill you want to die on.

Trump wanted increased defense spending and was willing to cave to DEM spending to get it.

[peek-a-boo]

@ImRightYoureWrong

Are tax credits to farmers and trade wars “supply side”?

I believe we are done.

[ImRightYoureWrong]

@peek-a-boo

We really aren’t talking about fiscal conservatism at all. We are talking about conservative deficit hawks. I will concede that point. Trump is no deficit hawk. I’m not either.

So you are ok with $1.3trillion deficits?

[ImRightYoureWrong]

@peek-a-boo

I believe we are done.

Huh? That was a legitimate question

[ComfortablyNumb]

@peek-a-boo

I believe I now see where this is going.

We really aren’t talking about fiscal conservatism at all. We are talking about conservative deficit hawks. I will concede that point. Trump is no deficit hawk. I’m not either.

The reality is that we need both DEMs and REPs to get things done in Washington. So in the end it really comes down to which hill you want to die on.

Trump wanted increased defense spending and was willing to cave to DEM spending to get it.

Lol

You continue to try to change the meaning of things. No, I’m not talking about strict deficit reductions, although decreasing the deficit is a sign of a fiscal conservative. The budget he proposed did not even attempt to balance the budget. As in, not at all. It obviously grew both deficits and debt, if implemented fully, to levels never before seen in our nation. At a time of low unemployment and a strong economy. There is literally nothing in this proposal that indicates that he is a fiscal conservative.

His trade wars with multiple countries and the EU are not fiscally conservative. Raising taxes on Americans is not a fiscally conservative position. Providing welfare to farmers being hurt by his trade war is not fiscally conservative. The list goes on and on.

You can claim he is a fiscal conservative until you’re blue in the face, but the objective reality and empirical evidence belies your claim. I do not understand why it is so difficult to just admit this reality honestly. It won’t diminish your support for Mr. Trump. You can still claim to be an ardent believer in him. Just be honest about it.

[Forcefield]

@ImRightYoureWrong

Huh? That was a legitimate question

I SAID GOOD DAY SIR

[Jezcoe]

@peek-a-boo

@Jezcoe

Nope. Obama is Keynesian. But we aren’t talking about Obama here.

What we are talking about is that we have two situations ten years apart. Both with huge deficits but one occurred in a global economic meltdown and the other is occurring at full employment.

The former was proof that Socialism was imminent and had to be beat back. The second is is proof that the President is fiscally conservative.

If the results look the same I am trying to understand from a supply side view why one instance of massive deficit spending is bad and the other good

Do you doubt Trump is a Supply Sider?

I doubt that he is fiscally conservative

[Jezcoe]

@peek-a-boo

@ComfortablyNumb

You still have not answered the question as to why the fiscally conservative President submitted a budget proposal that explodes the deficit, explodes the debt, and does not attempt to balance the budget. Do you want to try to reconcile for us how this budget proposal is even remotely conservative fiscally? Or will you continue to ignore this glaring and obvious evidence of him not being fiscally conservative?

I believe I now see where this is going.

We really aren’t talking about fiscal conservatism at all. We are talking about conservative deficit hawks. I will concede that point. Trump is no deficit hawk. I’m not either.

The reality is that we need both DEMs and REPs to get things done in Washington. So in the end it really comes down to which hill you want to die on.

Trump wanted increased defense spending and was willing to cave to DEM spending to get it.

The democrats haven’t controlled the budget in a very long time.

[ComfortablyNumb]

@Jezcoe

@peek-a-boo

@Jezcoe

Nope. Obama is Keynesian. But we aren’t talking about Obama here.

What we are talking about is that we have two situations ten years apart. Both with huge deficits but one occurred in a global economic meltdown and the other is occurring at full employment.

The former was proof that Socialism was imminent and had to be beat back. The second is is proof that the President is fiscally conservative.

If the results look the same I am trying to understand from a supply side view why one instance of massive deficit spending is bad and the other good

Do you doubt Trump is a Supply Sider?

I doubt that he is fiscally conservative

Doubting he is, is merely opinion. Which is an accurate one, as it is supported by the evidence available. He is not governing as a fiscal conservative. Period.

[highroller]

The funny thing is: he doesn’t have to be fiscally conservative. I don’t recall President saying he was. But to adamantly say he (or the Republicans) is a fiscal conservative while the evidence is contrary is a little ridiculous in my opinion.

[dantes]

You do whatever you want pal. I’ve learned everything I need to know from you in this thread. In my mind, there’s one obvious reason Trump supporters should rethink their position. He makes his supporters look like fools.

[tnt]

@peek-a-boo

Which is exactly what I predicted Trump haters would do. They have declared Trump to be a closet Liberal, thus my argument about being an issues voter falls apart.

The only problem with that is Trump is governing as a conservative, despite what Trump haters are saying.

I don’t have to declare anything. I am pointing out the fact that the guy you claim is a fiscal conservative has shepherded over a huge spike in the deficit. And that is not fiscal conservative behavior.

Trump is governing as a conservative in some respects. But NOT in respect to fiscal conservatism.

[reflechissez]

@peek-a-boo

@Jezcoe

If the President is governing as a fiscal conservative, then why is the deficit skyrocketing at full employment?

I’m done playing this silly game. By your ridiculous measure, there has never been a fiscal conservative in Government because the deficit has been going up every year. And please don’t point to Clinton as a fiscal conservative because of the small handful of balanced budgets.

But the deficit hasn’t gone up every year. You said so yourself.

[dantes]

For someone who claims to vote on the issues, he displays very little knowledge of the actual issues.

Easier just to pull the level for any Republican.