It is not about me or you. It is about objective reality and evidenced based conclusions. And reality shows he is most certainly NOT governing as a fiscal conservative by any measure.
Here is your quote from post 121:
which many fiscal conservatives agree are not conservative in the least because of the addition of deficit and debt, how else is he governing as a fiscal conservative?
Show me in Mr. Peterson’s writings where he agreed with you that tax cuts are not fiscally conservative. I’ve read some of his writings, and he never made that point.
In regards to these specific tax cuts, he does say that they should have done things a little differently but he never made the case you are attempting to make.
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Factually incorrect and I have even taken the time to educate you on this matter.
You have managed to demonstrate that you know nothing about fiscal conservatism. 
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You managed to demonstrate you know nothing about reconciliation. Please read up on this before posting what it takes to pass budgets, otherwise you may continue to post things that make you seem uninformed.
I copied the quotes from him in the article I posted. And my original point was in relation to posters here on this social media site that have claimed fiscal conservatism that disagree the tax cuts themselves were fiscally conservative, because of the debt and deficit increases they caused.
Even staunch conservatives like Freedom Caucus member Justin Amash, who voted for the tax cuts, knew that the cuts themselves were not fiscally conservative, and would need accompanying spending cuts to make the whole package conservative. Which of course did not occur, nor was even proposed by the not-a-fiscal-conservative President Trump.
Soooooooooooo……………………
What you seem to be saying is that conservative Never Trumper’s in this forum don’t believe Trump is conservative enough for them?
Surprise! Surprise!
I’m just shaking my head in disbelief that a person can believe that Donald Trump is a fiscal conservative.
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I’m shaking my head in disbelief that a person can claim that Trump isn’t a fiscal conservative.
OK, so I was joking.
When it comes to TDS, I believe anything is possible.
The people who have the most to gain from abusing the system have no intention of fixing it. Why would they?
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That’s why it’s up to us. Unfortunately the parties have people trained to resist attempts to reduce their power as you can see from the replies.
Ok. I’ll stop focusing solely on deficits. That is, of course, if you start focusing on the waste, fraud, and abuse of your taxpayer dollars by trump and those in his cabinet.
Nice goal post move, though. To claim Trump is a fiscal conservative is about the most mind numbingly trump spin in the history of trump spin.
I’m done with this thread.
My OP was an attempt to discuss what it means to be an issues voter. It has morphed into a thread about whether or not Trump is a fiscal conservative.
Trump haters have declared him not to be a fiscal conservative, and thus are using that to paint me as someone who really doesn’t vote on the issues at all. Because if I did vote on the issues, I would see that Trump is nothing but a con man and I would hate him as much as they do.
Of course. Hell, most are trained to pick one of the options given. Not picking is not an option, and if you don’t pick, then you don’t have any say in how badly the “winner” ends up screwing you. If more people took a stand and openly rejected the “choices” we keep getting stuck with, something MIGHT change. But why put up better choices when it doesn’t matter who you put up and they’re still going to “win?” Then we wonder why the people who really run things don’t bother voting at all and just give money to BOTH SIDES to ensure they get their way. Best government money can buy, but every vote matters. Until it doesn’t.
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There’s no viable third party option. We could change the way we vote to make the third party an actual option. It could work. People have to want it to though.
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This thread isn’t about you being an issue voter. The OP says you’ll literally vote for any Republican. That’s not voting for issues, that’s voting for party.
I vote for people/parties that give me a reason for my support. I had no problem voting for Gary Johnson last time and still don’t regret it.
That is what I intended when I started the thread. As I stated, it took a very different turn.
Its pretty sad when you feel the need to resort to such crap. My OP was very clear, yet you feel the need to completely destroy it and insert your own absurd commentary.
So once again we are done.
