Could we stop with "these are asylum seekers" nonsense

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It’s NOT the law to allow them into the country as the Biden Administration is doing. We are under NO obligation to let all these people into our country even if they do wish to say that they are here to claim asylum. This was noted from the link in the OP, which I’ll post again:

i. A state’s right to offer asylum is well known in international law. It follows from the principle that each sovereign state is considered to have exclusive control over its territory and, consequently, over persons present in its territory. One of the implications of this widely accepted rule is that each sovereign state has the right to grant or deny asylum to individuals within its borders. In international law, therefore, the right of asylum has traditionally been seen as the right of a state, rather than the right of an individual.

The Biden Administration has literally turned this around and wants us to believe that all these people who say a few magic words then have every right to be allowed into the US and wherever they wish to go. The proper procedure would be to detain them in designated facilities, or as Trump did to have them wait in Mexico until we could adjudicate their claims.

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This is the same policy as Trump (before remain in Mexico), Obama, Bush Jr, Clinton etc.

Not unique to Biden. Even Trump, under remain in Mexico had exceptions for family’s and unaccompanied minors.

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Key point.

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The ability to detain them was substantially greater because there was nowhere near the number of people claiming asylum under any prior president. Nonetheless, it’s not the law.

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Trump (before remain in Mexico). Yep. In 2019 Trump faced a new flood of illegals and did something about it.
Biden doesn’t even want to do something g about it.

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Reagan already did…for the worse.

Time to undo that fiasco.

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Isnt the law that if a Guatemalan gets to Mexico he must declare asylum in Mexico? They cannot come across into USA and be eligible for asylum.

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What social group?

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Asylum seekers?

I have it on good authority that there is nothing coming across the southern border but breakfast tacos that belong in TX and fruit pickers that belong in FL.

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DC is not a border town.
Neither is Chicago or NYC, and definitely not MV.
They deserve better than border towns.

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of course they do, they have more virtue

from each according to his proscribed ism
to each according to their defined virtue

^^did you notice my virtue there?^^

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Here’s more on how this system is being abused:

The arrival of busloads of migrants into New York City has raised questions about the administration’s border policies. Here are the facts about our increasingly dysfunctional immigration system:

Under US law, most migrants coming here without permission must be expelled. The only exceptions are migrants fleeing torture or racial, religious, ethnic, political or social-group persecution. “Economic refugee” is a contradiction, and “seeking a better life” means nothing if a migrant lacks permission to enter.

Otherwise, millions would seek entry and local governments would go bankrupt, medical and public-school systems would be strained, and America’s poor would remain in poverty for generations.

To avoid such harms, Congress requires the Department of Homeland Security to prevent all illegal entries and has given it authority to quickly remove migrants who enter illegally or come without proper documents.

To comply with our international obligations, though, Congress also allows migrants caught at entry to claim a fear of return before removal.

DHS statistics reveal that the Biden administration has rarely used this “expedited removal” authority. Between July 2021 and July 2022, the department processed 1.079 million migrants stopped at the southwest border for removal. Of that 1.079 million, it cleared just 41,206 to apply for asylum or other humanitarian protection in the US.

During that same period, however, DHS released approximately 853,000 migrants stopped at the southwest border into the United States. Although those migrants are commonly called “asylum-seekers,” these statistics show fewer than 5% are.

Basically, the Biden Administration allowing pretty much anyone who says that they are seeking asylum to come onto the country even if their asylum claim is not legally valid.

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Great post Thank You…

The problem of course being…now that they are here…they aren’t leaving.

Nothing will be done to get those millions of non asylum seekers out of the country.

From the linked article…”But most ordered removed won’t depart. In FY 2019, nearly 600,000 fugitive illegal immigrants under final removal orders had failed to leave. That figure has only increased in the interim, as Mayorkas has placed needless burdens on ICE officers… Unlike all his predecessors, Biden is not deterring illegal entrants at the border. Instead, he’s inviting every foreign national in the world to come illegally and seek asylum — whether they’re “asylum-seekers” or not.”

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Just to reemphasize what the conditions for asylum are and what are the conditions in these countries:

Refugee status or asylum may be granted to people who have been persecuted or fear they will be persecuted on account of race, religion, nationality, and/or membership in a particular social group or political opinion.

Why are people leaving the Northern Triangle?
Economic precariousness, government corruption, crime, violence, and—increasingly—climate change are all driving migration from El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras. A majority of Guatemalans and Hondurans live below the poverty line, and most people in the Northern Triangle are employed in the informal sector, which deprives them of social protections and insurance. The pandemic, which has disproportionately affected Latin America in public health and economic terms, has laid bare governance deficiencies across the region. Meanwhile, the erosion of democratic checks and balances by populist politicians and corrupt officials has left many Northern Triangle residents exasperated and disenfranchised.

Despite seeing reductions in homicides, the Northern Triangle countries remain among the most dangerous in the world. High rates of domestic violence and gang recruitment of minors have contributed to a surge in unaccompanied children and families journeying to the U.S.-Mexico border. Likewise, after a decade of shifting weather patterns and resultant food insecurity, back-to-back Category 5 hurricanes struck Central America this past fall: the storms eviscerated subsistence farms, killed hundreds of thousands of livestock, and devastated large-scale agricultural production. Many people in the region have family ties to the United States and, in the face of such adversity, migrate with the hopes of reuniting with loved ones and improving their lives.

Asylum is about protecting very specific, particularly minority groups, who are being targeted for very specific reasons - race, religion, nationality, and/or membership in a particular social group or political opinion. As such demonstrating no connections to the actual conditions in these countries and why they are leaving.

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Which is the actual goal of the Biden Administration and Democrat Party. Every time we have these debates what do all those on the Left always say? “What are supposed to do round them all up and deport them?”

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So Repubs have the House now- how about some legislation to address this issue?

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That’s one of the their stated top priorities. Not sure what they can accomplish though? Biden should be impeached but the reality is that virtually the entire Democrat Party believes in having an open border as well.

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Impeached for what? He is following the existing laws.

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Tell me the law which states that a US president is required to flood the nation with millions of the world’s poverty and problems and dump them on the US taxpayer?

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The United States passed its own federal law in the Refugee Act of 1980, for people who are fleeing persecution on “account of race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion.” The Refugee Act is meant to ensure that individuals who seek asylum from within the U.S. or at its border are not sent back to places where they face persecution.

It’s illegal to turn people away- so change that law, Majority people.