Could we stop with "these are asylum seekers" nonsense

[biggestal99]

@Eagle-Keeper

Refugee status or asylum may be granted to people who have been persecuted or fear they will be persecuted on account of race, religion, nationality, and/or membership in a particular social group or political opinion .

exactly. did you know that in Guatemala, persons are subjected to suffer high levels of gang violence, as well as widespread gender-based and anti-LGBTQ violence.

Allan

[PurpnGold]

@WuWei

I’m not trying to “fundamentally transform America”.

Of course not. You are trying to “fundamentally keep America the same”

[Rodeo]

@DougBH

And you can double that argument for any that came through Mexico but were not Mexican. They no longer needed asylum once they were in Mexico.

And then add to that the reality that the cartels are making a massive amount of money…I forget who it was but a border patrol official on Fox a few days ago said anyone who tries to cross without paying the cartels s going to end up dead…

“ Cartels or transnational criminal organizations are taking advantage of the situation that we’re in. […] They charge every single person that comes across that border,” he said. The cartels are so sophisticated that they’re constantly switching the entry points they chose for migrant families, children and single adults to illegally come into the country.” https://www.borderreport.com/immigration/border-patrol-mexican-cartels-charging-every-person-that-comes-across/

There is no reason for us to wake up everyday to photos of the next line of people wading thru the rio grande entering this country illegally…none.

[WuWei]

Denial

[WuWei]

@biggestal99

@Eagle-Keeper

Refugee status or asylum may be granted to people who have been persecuted or fear they will be persecuted on account of race, religion, nationality, and/or membership in a particular social group or political opinion .

exactly. did you know that in Guatemala, persons are subjected to suffer high levels of gang violence, as well as widespread gender-based and anti-LGBTQ violence.

Allan

Not asylum.

[Eagle-Keeper]

@biggestal99

@Eagle-Keeper

Refugee status or asylum may be granted to people who have been persecuted or fear they will be persecuted on account of race, religion, nationality, and/or membership in a particular social group or political opinion .

exactly. did you know that in Guatemala, persons are subjected to suffer high levels of gang violence, as well as widespread gender-based and anti-LGBTQ violence.

There’s nothing in strict asylum law that specifies gang violence for one. Second, it specifies that it has to be based on race, religion, nationality, and/or membership in a particular social group or political opinion. Now I suppose you’re going to argue that they are all LGBTQ, right?

[WuWei]

@PurpnGold

@WuWei

I’m not trying to “fundamentally transform America”.

Of course not. You are trying to “fundamentally keep America the same”

Am I? How about following the Constitution? Wouldn’t that be something.

[PurpnGold]

@WuWei

@PurpnGold

@WuWei

I’m not trying to “fundamentally transform America”.

Of course not. You are trying to “fundamentally keep America the same”

Am I? How about following the Constitution? Wouldn’t that be something.

I rest my case

[WuWei]

What do you want to fundamentally transform the country into?

[Optrader]

@biggestal99

@Eagle-Keeper

Refugee status or asylum may be granted to people who have been persecuted or fear they will be persecuted on account of race, religion, nationality, and/or membership in a particular social group or political opinion .

exactly. did you know that in Guatemala, persons are subjected to suffer high levels of gang violence, as well as widespread gender-based and anti-LGBTQ violence.

Allan

So Guatemalans beat up their perverts. Why is it our job to stop that from happening? Normal people in America are being victimized every day by American gangs. Don’t hear any of you Libs whining about that…

[Eagle-Keeper]

@WuWei

What do you want to fundamentally transform the country into?

I suppose they want us to become Central and South America as we will absorb half their population over the next few years.

[Eagle-Keeper]

@Optrader

So Guatemalans beat up their perverts. Why is it our job to stop that from happening? Normal people in America are being victimized every day by American gangs. Don’t hear any of you Libs whining about that…

Every country in the world that has violence and gangs I suppose is America’s problem?

[DougBH]

@WuWei

What do you want to fundamentally transform the country into?

Based on recent use of federal force, perhaps Venezuela would be a possibility?

[bigtwnvin]

@Eagle-Keeper

n other words, none of these people have any right to be here, and we are under no obligation to allow any of these people into the country.

They are here illegally and should be removed. The drug, weapons and sex slave human trafficking smuggling alone should have a sovereign country like America mobilizing multiple federal agencies including the US Military to regain control of the borders.
But thanks Joe

[biggestal99]

@Eagle-Keeper

There’s nothing in strict asylum law that specifies gang violence for one. Second, it specifies that it has to be based on race, religion, nationality, and/or membership in a particular social group or political opinion. Now I suppose you’re going to argue that they are all LGBTQ, right?

exactly, a particular social group.

thats a layup.

Allan

[Guntsu]

Well so far the trend line is their children vote GOP so there is that solice

[Eagle-Keeper]

@biggestal99

@WuWei

I’m not trying to “fundamentally transform America”.

neither is anyone else.

Why allow millions of people into the country when you know that the majority of their asylum claims don’t fit the legal requirements?

[Supreme_War_Pig]

@Eagle-Keeper

@biggestal99

@WuWei

I’m not trying to “fundamentally transform America”.

neither is anyone else.

Why allow millions of people into the country when you know that the majority of their asylum claims don’t fit the legal requirements?

Because it’s the law. And these cases aren’t adjudicated on the spot at the border. It is during the later hearing where it is determined whether or not the requirements are met.

If you had to guess, what percentage of asylum requests are denied?

How many asylum requests per year do you think are made?

[DougBH]

Remain in Mexico was a reasonable resolution. It doesn’t allow people to come in and disappear.
That was a better law.

[Eagle-Keeper]

@Supreme_War_Pig

If you had to guess, what percentage of asylum requests are denied?

How many asylum requests per year do you think are made?

First off, as I’ve stated numerous times in these particular debates, it’s not like we don’t know what the conditions are in these countries. Look at the Biden Administration’s 5 point plan to deal with the root causes of migration and none of it deals with the LEGAL conditions for asylum. Your a smart person, answer this, honestly, how many of the of people showing up at the US border from all over the world, who are paying money to the cartels, are actually being persecuted (according to any legal definition), and more specifically on account of race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion?

Regarding what percentage of asylum cases are denied it’s typically in the 80% range:

Asylum Grant Rates Climb Under Biden.

Now let’s be clear on something regarding asylum. It’s not a scientifically verifiable process and involves human subjectivity, biases, emotion, and political ideology. Earlier in this thread I pointed out that being granted asylum can largely depend on which asylum judge one gets.