Could we stop with "these are asylum seekers" nonsense

biggestal99 · 2024-04-22T10:09:04.965Z

mot1man:

They don’t care. Al, and those like him(progressives), do not give two ■■■■■ how much damage is caused by the invasion of our country.

not a prog.

Allan

Chris_Monti · 2024-04-22T10:47:54.508Z

The concept of asylum indeed has a complex and multifaceted history, deeply intertwined with global conflicts, human rights, and international law. While it’s true that the modern legal framework for asylum primarily emerged in response to wartime situations, its application has evolved to encompass a broader range of circumstances, including persecution on account of various social factors beyond just war-related issues.

biggestal99 · 2024-04-22T12:36:06.586Z

Chris_Monti:

The concept of asylum indeed has a complex and multifaceted history, deeply intertwined with global conflicts, human rights, and international law. While it’s true that the modern legal framework for asylum primarily emerged in response to wartime situations, its application has evolved to encompass a broader range of circumstances, including persecution on account of various social factors beyond just war-related issues.

exactly. asylum has evolved into what it is now.

asylum laws were enacted into United states law in 1952 and modified 10 times (last time in 2008) needs some more tweaking.

Allan

Rodeo · 2024-04-22T13:30:36.577Z

biggestal99:

exactly. asylum has evolved into what it is now.

asylum laws were enacted into United states law in 1952 and modified 10 times (last time in 2008) needs some more tweaking.

Allan

No we just need to actually focus on stopping the flow of people coming illegally into the country swamping the system in the process.

There is no good reason, none, for more than 10 million, probably 11 or 12 now…to have entered this country illegally in record setting fashion over the last three years.

It is not our responsibility to just take everyone who wants to bee bop into this country. We have a right and a responsibility to vet immigrants, to determine who and how many will be allowed and fit what purpose.

Seriously are you insane because the results of the ideas you keep defending are pure insanity.

biggestal99 · 2024-04-22T16:07:55.673Z

Rodeo:

No we just need to actually focus on stopping the flow of people coming illegally into the country swamping the system in the process.

but they arent illegal! they are legit asylum seekers. they fill out the paperwork and everything.

Allan

Guvnah · 2024-04-22T22:36:02.050Z

biggestal99:

but they arent illegal! they are legit asylum seekers.

This whole thread tells you that you need to stow it.

Rodeo · 2024-04-22T22:46:19.482Z

biggestal99:

but they arent illegal! they are legit asylum seekers.

The overwhelming majority are not.

biggestal99 · 2024-04-23T08:49:49.013Z

Guvnah:

This whole thread tells you that you need to stow it.

and as long as immigrants continue to follow US law, i wont.

Allan

biggestal99 · 2024-04-23T08:51:27.968Z

Rodeo:

The overwhelming majority are not

and thats why we have immigration judges.

to separate the wheat from the chaff.

its a really easy concept.

change the asylum law if you can.

Allan

DougBH · 2024-04-23T09:35:59.740Z

So, when selling asylum, let’s not falsely fall back on something like Jewish refuges in WWII Germany. As you say, that is not what we are talking about. And let’s agree that no law or tradition accepts economic necessity (and certainly not just want) as asylum.
Rather than say the definition of asylum has changed, I would say some are selling as asylum that which is not asylum.

biggestal99 · 2024-04-23T09:41:34.088Z

DougBH:

So, when selling asylum, let’s not falsely fall back on something like Jewish refuges in WWII Germany. As you say, that is not what we are talking about. And let’s agree that no law or tradition accepts economic necessity (and certainly not just want) as asylum.
Rather than say the definition of asylum has changed, I would say some are selling as asylum that which is not asylum.

well i will agree that too many people are claiming asylum noted by the asylum grants v deportations after the immigration courts have have their say. of course the most difficult thing is determining a true asylum seeker from a phony one.

Allan

Rodeo · 2024-04-23T12:26:41.425Z

biggestal99:

well i will agree that too many people are claiming asylum noted by the asylum grants v deportations after the immigration courts have have their say. of course the most difficult thing is determining a true asylum seeker from a phony one.

Allan

What you fail to recognize and will never admit is this.

This president has been terrible, particularly on the border.

We know that an overwhelming majority of your precious asylum claims are rejected. We know further that this administration has allowed the system to be overwhelmed. As a result there are asylum hearings that have been extended out 8-10 years. I’m not going to repost the links that’s all been discussed and you won’t read them anyway.

What are we supposed to do with these people for a decade?

And we know despite all the braindead leftwing ■■■■■■■■ that the border was at its most secure in more than 40 years when Trump left and Biden moved in. Biden rescinded all of the policies that were working and plunged us into this nightmare, the result being well over 10 maybe 11 or 12 million illegals entering this country from if memory serves like 100+ countries. The cartels have gotten rich, human trafficking and fentanyl deaths are at all time highs and the system is overwhelmed.

We also know this…the Biden’s have both lied repeatedly about the status of the border it’s never been secure they’ve never had operational control and those border agents never strapped anybody.

And we know that existing laws aren’t even being followed as was outlined in the Mayorkas impeachment that fraud Schumer ignored, so stop telling us “change the asylum laws”, talk about moving the deck chairs around on the titanic. Your stupid “asylum” argument is pointless when looking at the big picture. No responsible leader of this or any country would allow the level of foreign invasion and the system overload it has created that Biden has allowed. The House should have impeached Biden and Mayorkas as a double play because these are Biden’s failed policies mayorkas has been lying to us all about.

Part of me feels sorry for anyone who is so liberal blind as to not see the nightmare this administration and the Democrat party have created resulting in an unprecedented invasion of America by largely unvetted foreign nationals from all over the world and the death, destruction, crime, and all the money it’s costing all of us.

Even if everyone of these so called “asylum seekers”, they aren’t that’s just what the cartels told them to say so stupid liberals would endorse their illegitimate arrival into the country…

But even if they all were legit there is no excuse, none for the shear volume of people Biden and Mayorkas have allowed to just walk into America. None. We as a nation are not required to just let anyone come…we have a right and responsibility as a nation to determine who gets in, who stays, who goes, and what benefit that person will bring.

You libs seem to have missed that part.

When the system is so overwhelmed that the alleged asylum seekers are being given notices to appear 8 years from now, no one will show for that, then responsible leadership would take meaningful steps to slow the flow. The only responsible leader in this whole disaster has been governor Abbott and the idiot Biden has fought him every step of the way.

Would have cost a helluva lot less to just keep the policies in place that were working doncha think?

Rodeo · 2024-04-23T12:52:21.598Z

Sorry that was really long.

biggestal99 · 2024-04-23T15:08:39.694Z

Rodeo:

We know that an overwhelming majority of your precious asylum claims are rejected

depends on the country (Figures from 2023)

https://www.justice.gov/eoir/page/file/1107366/dl

south and central america and Mexico asylum decisions in 2023

Brazil 10%
cuba 5%
el salvador 9%
guatamala 8%
hondorous 7%
nicarurga 23%
mexico 4%
Venezaula 28%

so we have the very low countries (1 in 20 genuine asylum seekers)
mid countries (1 in 12)
and the high countries (1 in 4)

Allan

Rodeo · 2024-04-23T15:19:56.679Z

biggestal99:

depends on the country (Figures from 2023)

https://www.justice.gov/eoir/page/file/1107366/dl

south and central america and Mexico asylum decisions in 2023

Brazil 10%
cuba 5%
el salvador 9%
guatamala 8%
hondorous 7%
nicarurga 23%
mexico 4%
Venezaula 28%

so we have the very low countries (1 in 20 genuine asylum seekers)
mid countries (1 in 12)
and the high countries (1 in 4)

Allan

So the best you can do is less than 25%. I should just rest my case.

None of that is worth the chaos, expense, homelessness, fentanyl deaths, now mounting migrant crime being created in America by this stupid process that has overwhelmed the border and numerous American streets and cities.

We have a right and moreover a responsibility to determine who will and will not be allowed in this country.

It’s not our responsibility to just take anybody who can pay off the cartels and then meander across that big river at the Texas border.

biggestal99 · 2024-04-23T15:29:17.843Z

Rodeo:

None of that is worth the chaos, expense, homelessness, fentanyl deaths, now mounting migrant crime being created in America by this stupid process that has overwhelmed the border and numerous American streets and cities.

and that were we disagree. to save a person from persecution by granting asylum is when America is at its best. lets say for comparion there was no asylum (or refugee) process for the United states. you would throw out the truly deserving along with the pretenders.

in my america, it is worth it to save people.

in your america, it is not.

simple disagreement among citizens.

Allan

DougBH · 2024-04-23T16:11:03.406Z

You might have an argument in normal times. That was all thrown out when a certain politician announced to the world that asylum seekers should serge our border.
Until our border is back under control, we need to reinstitute remain in Mexico,…or in a third country.

But no to “remain in Texas”.

Rodeo · 2024-04-23T17:34:46.952Z

biggestal99:

in my america, it is worth it to save people.

in your america, it is not.

simple disagreement among citizens.

Allan

In your America you are saving no one. These are not legitimate asylum seekers they are people as all of us know enriching the Mexican drug cartels paying for passage into America destroying the very concept of credible fear and asylum. The are being sold into sex slavery or turned into drug mules or forced to send money they earn to the cartels to pay off their debts. They are overrunning our cities. Black residents of Chicago turned out to protest 70 million dollars going to migrant’s instead of the tax payers, southern border communities in Texas are being overrun, a congressional committee last year held a hearing that I believe the democrats boycotted in the Yuma, AZ sector where they heard about the damage to that community in particular to a local hospital’s ability to keep up…not long after that a primary hospital in Denver reported it was in serious financial jeopardy because of the migrants there, should I bring up police being attacked by Venezuelan gangs in New York and the murder of Laken Rley?

The pure arrogance of your “in my America” bs aside…the policies you voted for are doing irreparable harm to this country.

Rodeo · 2024-04-23T17:36:10.823Z

DougBH:

You might have an argument in normal times. That was all thrown out when a certain politician announced to the world that asylum seekers should serge our border.
Until our border is back under control, we need to reinstitute remain in Mexico,…or in a third country.

But no to “remain in Texas”.

That border needs to be sealed….no one in until such time as this nightmare Biden mayorkas and the democrats have created is brought under control.

gooddad409 · 2024-04-23T18:35:43.078Z

Striker840:

STODR:

WHAT Allan was wrong again with his facts?

Wait, he told me he was NEVER wrong and ONLY used facts…

He meant never right i think.