Corporate Mandates, for or against?

[FreeAndClear]

@RTchoke

And that’s how easy it is folks for the govt to dictate every sector of your life. Make those who agree or play along feel extremely virtuous in their actions.

Why government? What if the restaurant decides to do so?

[WorldWatcher]

@Conservative_frk

And the flip side of that is I can be at work with 100% vax coworkers and 1 of them can have a break through case and give me Covid and I can still take it home to my 2 year old granddaughter who isn’t vax and she can still get Covid and die.

True, no vaccine or medicine in the history of medicine is absolutely 100% effective.

The effectiveness is based on population data not individual cases. As a population vaccines reduce the spread of the disease and the impact on the body if infected. Can an individual still get sick and die, sadly yes.

WW

[toreyj01]

@Conservative_frk

I draw the line at being forced to put something in my body to be able to partake in society.

It is one or the other. You are totally free to skip the vaccine, but partaking is not guaranteed, nor should it be. It is your choice.

[WuWei]

@biggestal99

All drivers of automobiles in the United States must be licensed .

Not true.

[toreyj01]

@Conservative_frk

I suppose they can with the ways the law stands right now.
I could appreciate HIPAA being extended to protect that though.

That is not what HIPAA covers, nor will it ever be.

[WuWei]

@toreyj01

but partaking is not guaranteed

Actually it is.

[toreyj01]

@WorldWatcher

@Conservative_frk

@amadeus

We have a proof of vaccine to eat or drink indoors. I recently was turned away with a group of my colleagues. The hostess was nice, but firm. She was doing her job and I respected that. Luckily, my wife texted me a photo of my vaccination card, which I had neglected to photo. So one minute later I was admitted. What’s the worst that could have happened?

I respect the fact that the waitress doesn’t make the rules.

The worst that could have happened was exactly what did.
Obviously, you don’t have a problem with it.
I do. My vax status is no ones business but my own.

You are willing to give up your privacy to eat in a restaurant. I am willing to never eat in a restaurant, never go to a grocery store, lose my job, teach my grandchildren at home, to protect my rights as well as yours.

And I can respect that position 100%.

However the flip side of the coin is that it is the employers responsibility to provide a safe environment for employees and customers. So the flip side is respecting the rights of property for employers to provide that environment and as such they do have a right/responsibility to know the “vaccination”** status of those using their property.

*** Vaccination Status, as used here, SHOULD include defense against the disease based on either receipt of the vaccination OR acquired protection through having caught the disease and survived. IMHO this is an area that is sorely lacking. Just as there is a “vax card” for those vaccinated, there should be an “acquired card” for those with similar post infection protection. The “acquired card” should only be obtainable from a medical doctor and indicate a recovery date like the vax card indicates shot dates. And woe be the doctor that falsifies an acquired card, they should be subject to fines and disciplinary action for creating fraudulent cards by their medical licensing agency and subject to law suits by private citizens for enforcement (similar to the Texas abortion law).

WW

I agree with all of this, those with prior infections should enjoy the same access as the vaccinated.

[biggestal99]

@Conservative_frk

Having a drivers license does not require me to put something into my body.

It however is required by the gasp government.

How dare they interfere with my freedom to drive.

Allan

[toreyj01]

@WuWei

@toreyj01

but partaking is not guaranteed

Actually it is.

No, it isn’t. You don’t have a right to eat in a restaurant if you pose a risk to other customers or staff. We are in the middle of a pandemic. Privately owned establishments have the right to establish health guidelines they expect customers to follow, or be denied service. This isn’t about public accommodation (“We don’t serve your kind here”), it is about public health.

[WuWei]

14th Amendment. PA laws. It’s about access.

Private sector isn’t make the decision.

[gooddad409]

@toreyj01

@WuWei

@toreyj01

but partaking is not guaranteed

Actually it is.

No, it isn’t. You don’t have a right to eat in a restaurant if you pose a risk to other customers or staff. We are in the middle of a pandemic. Privately owned establishments have the right to establish health guidelines they expect customers to follow, or be denied service. This isn’t about public accommodation (“We don’t serve your kind here”), it is about public health.

They have the right to do so. I have the right to refuse to show proof of vaccination and the right to never ever frequent said restaurant again even after the virus is over.

That said i doubt local restaurants ever get to that point. They don’t even require masks currently.

[toreyj01]

@gooddad409

@toreyj01

@WuWei

@toreyj01

but partaking is not guaranteed

Actually it is.

No, it isn’t. You don’t have a right to eat in a restaurant if you pose a risk to other customers or staff. We are in the middle of a pandemic. Privately owned establishments have the right to establish health guidelines they expect customers to follow, or be denied service. This isn’t about public accommodation (“We don’t serve your kind here”), it is about public health.

They have the right to do so. I have the right to refuse to show proof of vaccination and the right to never ever frequent said restaurant again even after the virus is over.

That said i doubt local restaurants ever get to that point. They don’t even require masks currently.

All of this is true, I agree with you.

[gooddad409]

@toreyj01

@gooddad409

@toreyj01

@WuWei

@toreyj01

but partaking is not guaranteed

Actually it is.

No, it isn’t. You don’t have a right to eat in a restaurant if you pose a risk to other customers or staff. We are in the middle of a pandemic. Privately owned establishments have the right to establish health guidelines they expect customers to follow, or be denied service. This isn’t about public accommodation (“We don’t serve your kind here”), it is about public health.

They have the right to do so. I have the right to refuse to show proof of vaccination and the right to never ever frequent said restaurant again even after the virus is over.

That said i doubt local restaurants ever get to that point. They don’t even require masks currently.

All of this is true, I agree with you.

[Toll_Collector]

@biggestal99

The big company which I work for just came out for a vax mandate for union employees.

Get vaxxed or get suspended without pay and then after 60 days be terminated.

Sounds great to me.

I don’t see how they can do that in between contracts if they’re union.

[Ben_Natuf]

partaking certainly is, its called pursuit of happiness

[biggestal99]

@Toll_Collector

I don’t see how they can do that in between contracts if they’re union.

The union agreed to it. Of course it’s the CWA and they endorsed Biden.

https://www.reuters.com/world/the-great-reboot/att-mandates-covid-19-vaccination-union-represented-employees-2021-09-29/

“Some companies have also been working to incentivize employees to get vaccinated through bonuses and other benefits.”

Fat chance with the big company.The only incentive the big company gave me is I get to keep my job.

Allan

[amadeus]

@gooddad409

@toreyj01

@WuWei

@toreyj01

but partaking is not guaranteed

Actually it is.

No, it isn’t. You don’t have a right to eat in a restaurant if you pose a risk to other customers or staff. We are in the middle of a pandemic. Privately owned establishments have the right to establish health guidelines they expect customers to follow, or be denied service. This isn’t about public accommodation (“We don’t serve your kind here”), it is about public health.

They have the right to do so. I have the right to refuse to show proof of vaccination and the right to never ever frequent said restaurant again even after the virus is over.

That said i doubt local restaurants ever get to that point. They don’t even require masks currently.

Restaurants here are not going to suffer because of proof of vaccination refuseniks.

[Toll_Collector]

@toreyj01

Businesses can certainly require masks, if they want.

But I think they should also be able to require proof of vaccination, if they want. It is their business, isn’t it? And they should be allowed to set terms of employment which they feel is appropriate for their business. Meaning, they can mandate vaccinations for all employees or the employee will be terminated.

Now, will they lose business from the unvaccinated? Sure. Will they face losing valuable employees? Sure. But if they feel it is in their best interest to accept these losses in return for what they feel is a greater gain, does society have a right to tell them they cannot run their business as they see fit? In other words, can we apply socialism here and control the means of production and distribution of a private enterprise?

I believe this to be true as well. Don’t like the rules? Don’t take the job. And as long as they don’t have any competing contract issues, they can do the same with those currently employed as well. In some states they might have an issue with the Implied contract exception for at will states. But I don’t believe anyone has used that to challenge it yet.

[Toll_Collector]

@biggestal99

@Toll_Collector

I don’t see how they can do that in between contracts if they’re union.

The union agreed to it. Of course it’s the CWA and they endorsed Biden.

https://www.reuters.com/world/the-great-reboot/att-mandates-covid-19-vaccination-union-represented-employees-2021-09-29/

“Some companies have also been working to incentivize employees to get vaccinated through bonuses and other benefits.”

Fat chance with the big company.The only incentive the big company gave me is I get to keep my job.

Allan

If the union agreed then it’s over.

Let me ask you a question since I know you’re in favor of all of this. If your job required you to release all medical information as a term of employment, that’s good too?

[Ben_Natuf]

find as better big company, walmart paid associates $150