Corporate Mandates, for or against?

[gooddad409]

@toreyj01

@Camp

There has been insufficient effort with the carrot approach IMO.

You can’t force people or mistreat people who refuse.

My approach would be patience and transparency of the positive results for the vaccinated. It should sell itself.

Oh, the carrot phase is definitely nearing an end. This Delta variant is going to bring out a lot of sticks, the question is, how soon?

No one is forcing someone to eat at a restaurant or fly in a plane, the individual still has a choice in the matter.

The local restaurants aren’t even wearing masks much less demanding proof of vaccination.

That’s probably a pipe dream of the libs(Karens).

As for airlines or cruises i’ve been vaccinated but will not show my card to anyone. None of their business.

I’ve flown and cruised enough(already) that refusing to show my card to do so again is something i will give up and not give a crap about.

[Camp]

I don’t understand the dismissal and ignoring the considerable upside for antibodies from a virus that most don’t know they have unless tested.

One reason I was comfortable and confident taking the vaccine was the certainty I had NO antibodies already.

The stick approach is a bad way to move forward.

[gooddad409]

@Camp

I don’t understand the dismissal and ignoring the considerable upside for antibodies from a virus that most don’t know they have unless tested.

One reason I was comfortable and confident taking the vaccine was the certainty I had NO antibodies already.

The stick approach is a bad way to move forward.

I don’t get it either. In the case of 2 of my daughters and son in laws they know they had it.

Mild symptoms but they did have it.

[Camp]

Which gets us right back to the matter of trust and why so many are not willing to get the shot.

Public health officials must address the antibody situation and accept that this is as good as getting vaccinated or convince the people with antibodies that the vaccine is more efficient.

[gooddad409]

@Camp

Which gets us right back to the matter of trust and why so many are not willing to get the shot.

Public health officials must address the antibody situation and accept that this is as good as getting vaccinated or convince the people with antibodies that the vaccine is more efficient.

They sure need to but seem unwilling to do so. The authoritarian in them i suppose.

My daughters and son in laws tested positive along with losing their sense of smell and some other symptoms for a couple of weeks or so.

[toreyj01]

@gooddad409

@Camp

Have at it.

Might not go as you think.

India burned its Covid out on antibodies…not vaccine.

Yeah I have a son in law whose employer is trying to force him to get the vaccine despite him having had the covid and probably has antibodies as a result.

Isn’t it potentially dangerous to take the vaccine when you’ve had the virus already?

If bad things happen to folks forced to get the vaccine that have had the virus then the employer should have the hell sued out of them in that case.

The Karen’s of the world/government do not even seem to be addressing this problem.

No, it isn’t harmful to get vaccinated if you had prior COVID. The immune response from actual infection is insufficient to combat future COVID infections, especially Delta. Good news is, the immune response from a single dose of mRNA vaccine is actually excellent and a second injection isn’t actually that pivotal, there is little benefit to it.

For those that do not have prior infection, both doses are required, though, to mount a sufficient immune response.

[toreyj01]

@gooddad409

@toreyj01

@Camp

There has been insufficient effort with the carrot approach IMO.

You can’t force people or mistreat people who refuse.

My approach would be patience and transparency of the positive results for the vaccinated. It should sell itself.

Oh, the carrot phase is definitely nearing an end. This Delta variant is going to bring out a lot of sticks, the question is, how soon?

No one is forcing someone to eat at a restaurant or fly in a plane, the individual still has a choice in the matter.

The local restaurants aren’t even wearing masks much less demanding proof of vaccination.

That’s probably a pipe dream of the libs(Karens).

As for airlines or cruises i’ve been vaccinated but will not show my card to anyone. None of their business.

I’ve flown and cruised enough(already) that refusing to show my card to do so again is something i will give up and not give a crap about.

Karens are the ones whinging about masks and vaccines, to be quite honest.

[gooddad409]

@toreyj01

@gooddad409

@toreyj01

@Camp

There has been insufficient effort with the carrot approach IMO.

You can’t force people or mistreat people who refuse.

My approach would be patience and transparency of the positive results for the vaccinated. It should sell itself.

Oh, the carrot phase is definitely nearing an end. This Delta variant is going to bring out a lot of sticks, the question is, how soon?

No one is forcing someone to eat at a restaurant or fly in a plane, the individual still has a choice in the matter.

The local restaurants aren’t even wearing masks much less demanding proof of vaccination.

That’s probably a pipe dream of the libs(Karens).

As for airlines or cruises i’ve been vaccinated but will not show my card to anyone. None of their business.

I’ve flown and cruised enough(already) that refusing to show my card to do so again is something i will give up and not give a crap about.

Karens are the ones whinging about masks and vaccines, to be quite honest.

No Karen’s are the one going all authoritarian about the whole thing.

[WuWei]

@toreyj01

The immune response from actual infection is insufficient to combat future COVID infections

Mmmmmm

[gooddad409]

@toreyj01

@gooddad409

@Camp

Have at it.

Might not go as you think.

India burned its Covid out on antibodies…not vaccine.

Yeah I have a son in law whose employer is trying to force him to get the vaccine despite him having had the covid and probably has antibodies as a result.

Isn’t it potentially dangerous to take the vaccine when you’ve had the virus already?

If bad things happen to folks forced to get the vaccine that have had the virus then the employer should have the hell sued out of them in that case.

The Karen’s of the world/government do not even seem to be addressing this problem.

No, it isn’t harmful to get vaccinated if you had prior COVID. The immune response from actual infection is insufficient to combat future COVID infections, especially Delta. Good news is, the immune response from a single dose of mRNA vaccine is actually excellent and a second injection isn’t actually that pivotal, there is little benefit to it.

For those that do not have prior infection, both doses are required, though, to mount a sufficient immune response.

Not what i have heard from some actual Drs. Nice talking pts/narrative though.

[peek-a-boo]

A business is free to do what it wants. As a consumer we are free to vote for their chosen course of action with our feet. If we don’t like it we don’t shop there.

[toreyj01]

@WuWei

@toreyj01

The immune response from actual infection is insufficient to combat future COVID infections

Mmmmmm

Here you go…

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01609-4

Of note:

Studies show that people with previous exposure to SARS-CoV-2 tend to mount powerful immune responses to single shots, and gain little added benefit from another injection1,2,3. What’s more, for people with immunity gained through infection, one dose typically boosts antibody numbers to levels that are equal to, or often greater than, those found in individuals who have not been infected and have received double doses4.

Nature, as you probably know, is the world’s most prestigious science magazine. If they say it, it has been vetted to hell and back.

[WuWei]

“Studies”. Do you know many COVID studies there are.

I’m not sure that piece supports your theory.

[toreyj01]

@gooddad409

@toreyj01

@gooddad409

@toreyj01

@Camp

There has been insufficient effort with the carrot approach IMO.

You can’t force people or mistreat people who refuse.

My approach would be patience and transparency of the positive results for the vaccinated. It should sell itself.

Oh, the carrot phase is definitely nearing an end. This Delta variant is going to bring out a lot of sticks, the question is, how soon?

No one is forcing someone to eat at a restaurant or fly in a plane, the individual still has a choice in the matter.

The local restaurants aren’t even wearing masks much less demanding proof of vaccination.

That’s probably a pipe dream of the libs(Karens).

As for airlines or cruises i’ve been vaccinated but will not show my card to anyone. None of their business.

I’ve flown and cruised enough(already) that refusing to show my card to do so again is something i will give up and not give a crap about.

Karens are the ones whinging about masks and vaccines, to be quite honest.

No Karen’s are the one going all authoritarian about the whole thing.

That is not what a “Karen” is, and the “I know you are but what am I?” argument doesn’t work here.

[toreyj01]

@WuWei

“Studies”. Do you know many COVID studies there are.

There are three linked studies in that paragraph, all solid ones. Just click on the numbers.

[toreyj01]

@WuWei

“Studies”. Do you know many COVID studies there are.

I’m not sure that piece supports your theory.

Hybrid immunity is very powerful, those who were previously infected can obtain immunity greater than even those without infection who got 2 shots, all with one shot.

Not a bad deal, if you ask me.

[DMK]

@toreyj01

Which is quite a socialist thing, yes? What the State of Florida is doing.

No, because people are not being restricted by freedom. People’s freedoms are being protected.

[WorldWatcher]

@DMK

@toreyj01

Which is quite a socialist thing, yes? What the State of Florida is doing.

No, because people are not being restricted by freedom. People’s freedoms are being protected.

Well except for the people that die.

Their freedoms get pretty restricted.

WW

[gooddad409]

@peek-a-boo

A business is free to do what it wants. As a consumer we are free to vote for their chosen course of action with our feet. If we don’t like it we don’t shop there.

I plan to do that. Already am actually.

I think some businesses are having their arms twisted by our current lib government(and the CDC) though.

That’s just not right.

[DMK]

@Eagle-Keeper

This is the most important question? If something does happen to a person who can they sue?

It is one of many to consider, especially given the hypothetical presented that I could go out of business.

As far as I am aware, employers can be sued for mandating the vaccine as a condition of employment if there are side effects.