Corporate America is saying; get vaxxed or there will be consequences

[toreyj01]

@conan

So my question stands…are we not witnessing Fascism on display here?

Nope, this is called capitalism.

[toreyj01]

@YOSUP

@JayJay

So now the rubber hits the road.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/29/investing/companies-vaccine-requirement-delta-covid/index.html

Where do people stand on this issue?

Here are some of the steps some companies are taking:

“You must be vaccinated if you want to come to work,” he tells me. “There are some organizations that are trying one more step before that. They’re saying, if you choose not to be vaccinated, then you will have to be tested several times during the week on your own dime. And you will have to wear a mask in the workplace and not any mask, but that N95 surgical mask. I mean, we are going to, at the end of the day, make this a little uncomfortable for you because you’re making it uncomfortable and the workplace less comfortable for your colleagues.”

That’s the case for MGM Grand (MGM). Unvaccinated workers must regularly test for the virus, and if found positive, they will quarantine – without pay.

I, personally, am completely in favor of this. Businesses free to do what they want…correct?

I expect there will be lawsuits…will be interesting to watch people’s reactions.

Thoughts?

Awesome we support tyranny here in the US! You guys are about have a reckoning come 2022.

You could also phrase this as Democrats representing health and capitalism and Republicans supporting death and Socialism. (It is Socialistic for Governments to dictate what Businesses are allowed to do in regards to their own employees and who they choose to serve, that is regulating exchange and the means of production, the very definition of Socialism)

[toreyj01]

@Bill.in.PA

If corporations insist on vaccinations for employees, they should be responsible for any vaccine-related injuries.

If the decide that older overweight employees are especially at risk even if they are vaccinated are the corporations free to fire them?

Agreed.

No.

[Jezcoe]

The Durst Organization will require non union employees to be vaccinated by Labor Day or be fired.

New York real-estate giant The Durst Organization says it will fire non-union...

[WuWei]

@mwevans1234

@zantax

Simple, it’s a novel vaccine with no long term data.

So you’re left with an abundance of short term data.

Can’t help but think this decision would be the equivalent of me betting on the Pirates to win the World Series this year at 1:1 odds.

Sure - I don’t KNOW that they aren’t going to win 50 in a row…

The 'Rona odds are not 1:1

[WuWei]

@toreyj01

@WuWei

@TheDoctorIsIn

@WuWei

Customers?

Yes. You know, the people corporations need to sell things too.

You think people are going to not buy from a company because of their employee vaccination policy?

I would think the reverse is true, that if a business (say, a diner) had a strict policy where employees and customers had to have proof of vaccination, it would lend me to favor eating there vs. somewhere where no such policy existed.

And for a few reasons. One, they take public health seriously, which means the chances there are rat droppings in my food or salmonella on my lettuce might be reduced. Two, this place deserves credit for taking a stand, which makes me want to support them. They are risking losing business and employees to do the right thing. Folks who are “anti-vax” can be quite brutal either in public or social media, some folks might want to avoid that level of scrutiny, so taking a stand shows character.

Are you a representative sample of the gen pop?

[toreyj01]

@DMK

@PurpnGold

Then we pay their welfare bennies. For anti vaxxers

Not anti-vaxxers.

Anti-experimental.

The vaccines are not experimental. Well, not in teens to adults. They are experimental in children at the moment under the age of 12. Over that age, not experimental.

Full Approval does not equal non-experimental, it just means full approval.

[WuWei]

@toreyj01

You could also phrase this as Democrats representing health and capitalism and Republicans supporting death and Socialism. (It is Socialistic for Governments to dictate what Businesses are allowed to do in regards to their own employees and who they choose to serve, that is regulating exchange and the means of production, the very definition of Socialism)

Nice.

Don’t forget where business is getting their information to make their informed decisions and the liability associated with it.

[Jezcoe]

@toreyj01

@DMK

@PurpnGold

Then we pay their welfare bennies. For anti vaxxers

Not anti-vaxxers.

Anti-experimental.

The vaccines are not experimental. Well, not in teens to adults. They are experimental in children at the moment under the age of 12. Over that age, not experimental.

Full Approval does not equal non-experimental, it just means full approval.

The unvaccinated are part of the experiment. They are the control group.

How are they faring?

[TommyLucchese]

@Jezcoe

The unvaccinated are part of the experiment. They are the control group.

[FreeAndClear]

@conan

The problem is…just like goverment when they take a side they only alienate other side.

It’s why I advocate that goverment should always be neutral…and I guess so should corporations.

Another post against money being speech. And with 5 likes no less!!

[WuWei]

@toreyj01

@DMK

@PurpnGold

Then we pay their welfare bennies. For anti vaxxers

Not anti-vaxxers.

Anti-experimental.

The vaccines are not experimental. Well, not in teens to adults. They are experimental in children at the moment under the age of 12. Over that age, not experimental.

Full Approval does not equal non-experimental, it just means full approval.

I disagree.

Be interesting to see what happens to the vaccination rates on full approval.

[TommyLucchese]

@FreeAndClear

Another post against money being speech. And with 5 likes no less!!

Turns out they meant that businesses should be able to do what they want unless they disagree with what we say. Dunno why I’m surprised.

[FreeAndClear]

@TommyLucchese

@FreeAndClear

Another post against money being speech. And with 5 likes no less!!

Turns out they meant that businesses should be able to do what they want unless they disagree with what we say. Dunno why I’m surprised.

It’s not that “corporations are people”

It’s that corporations are our people?

[biggestal99]

@Jezcoe

Compared to a virus that we know will cause illness and death.

Why is the thinking that there is a larger chance of being harmed by the vaccine than the actual virus

Because some people are short term thinkers.

A sore arm and mild side effects from the vax now is worst than the CoVid I might get in the future.

Allan

[zantax]

@mwevans1234

@zantax

Simple, it’s a novel vaccine with no long term data.

So you’re left with an abundance of short term data.

Can’t help but think this decision would be the equivalent of me betting on the Pirates to win the World Series this year at 1:1 odds.

Sure - I don’t KNOW that they aren’t going to win 50 in a row…

1:1? What are the odds an otherwise healthy twenty year old will die from Covid?

[WuWei]

https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/10/health/vaccine-hesitant-how-to-talk-wellness/index.html

In more hopeful news, roughly one-fifth of Americans who were initially hesitant about or squarely against getting the Covid-19 vaccine have since gotten their shots, according to polling released Tuesday by the Kaiser Family Foundation.

Those who had decided to be vaccinated after saying they weren’t sure about or didn’t intend to get the shot “often say that family, friends and their personal doctors helped change their minds,” the foundation found.

In that same poll, those who remain unvaccinated reported their main reasons for still not getting a Covid-19 vaccine. Concerns about side effects was most cited (21%), followed by concerns the vaccine was too new, too unknown or not tested enough (16%). Twelve percent reported that they haven’t gotten a vaccine because they don’t think they need it.

Interesting. Concern about side effects…

[WuWei]

@zantax

@mwevans1234

@zantax

Simple, it’s a novel vaccine with no long term data.

So you’re left with an abundance of short term data.

Can’t help but think this decision would be the equivalent of me betting on the Pirates to win the World Series this year at 1:1 odds.

Sure - I don’t KNOW that they aren’t going to win 50 in a row…

1:1? What are the odds an otherwise healthy twenty year old will die from Covid?

What percentage of the population has tested positive?

[FreeAndClear]

Yeah like magnetism….

[zantax]

@Jezcoe

@zantax

Simple, it’s a novel vaccine with no long term data.

Compared to a virus that we know will cause illness and death.

Why is the thinking that there is a larger chance of being harmed by the vaccine than the actual virus?

You know no such thing. We know it can, not that it will for any given individual.