Coronavirus Thread Political

[WuWei]

@JayJay

You don’t wait until it’s serious to act…you know this.

Is that what we did? Or did we act and now, with the advantage of hindsight, you disagree with the degree?

[NickN]

@zantax

He didn’t just say it, he provided evidence for it.

To date, regardless of the lack of beds per-capita, people are not being denied one because of hospitals being over loaded. No one disputes the $7,300 per-capita spent on healthcare here per year is #1. Where there is disconnect is lack of education in apple to apple comparisons of what we have here in America vs what else goes on abroad.

For example, I have a son in law who is a citizen in England. His mother, a woman in her 60’s, had to wait several months for surgery to remove a malignant tumor. Thank goodness in the wait time she did not die or have the cancer spread making matters worse. This is not to suggest that this exact scenario in America for our parents here who be much better here. However, the perception of many people here is that necessary surgeries here get done asap. I assume likewise my son in law’s mother is not complaining over the pond either.

Another example is a friend of mine scheduled to have hip surgery later this month. Because of this crisis his elective surgery has been postponed. He is not upset, seems reasonable. The system is not broken, rather it has its limitations.

This virus originating out China has brought to the forefront how over dependent our country is with so much of our medical supply chain, in equipment, supplies, drugs and antibiotics being manufactured abroad. More importantly, it has forced big business to the White House in ways that will put need ahead of profit. This dynamic has an opportunity for a major reset post health crisis.

During the Obama administration an opportunity was given for a national health care system to take hold. We now see the private sector is getting another opportunity.

Data can be spun either way. We appreciate being educated on the topic.

That being said, there is no guarantee people get the best of care either way.

Add to that, there will always be uncertainty something will come out that will stomp the medical experts. The entire world got caught here unprepared not just America.

[WuWei]

@JayJay

He’s been in office three years.

How is it that the only thing besides nuclear war that can offer a real short term threat to the global economy not on his radar?

[WuWei]

@tnt

@JayJay

That’s not all they did.

Intrusive data collection and monitoring, with the data going into a “CentGov” database.

Clamping down on some people’s (the sick and those they came into contact with) individual freedoms…under some punitive threat (that they’d like to make even more punitive).

That’s what it takes.

I don’t have a problem at all saying you can’t put the country at risk if you are sick,

What if you’re not sick?

[WuWei]

@tnt

@zantax

You can’t wish millions of tests into existence overnight.

If you were planning and interested, and concerned, you wouldn’t have to.

Once again, trump apologists who like to pretend America is so great fail to realize we can see what other countries did. That somehow, we could not. And still, pretend everything is great in Trump’s America.

It’s like the health care debate…everyone else in the world can do it. We can’t. Somehow that makes us superior…

Millions of tests for a virus that was typed … when?

[JayJay]

@tnt

@JayJay

That’s not all they did.

Intrusive data collection and monitoring, with the data going into a “CentGov” database.

Clamping down on some people’s (the sick and those they came into contact with) individual freedoms…under some punitive threat (that they’d like to make even more punitive).

That’s what it takes.

I don’t have a problem at all saying you can’t put the country at risk if you are sick,

They are clamping down on anyone who came in contact with a sick person- whether sick or not.

[WuWei]

@Phaedrus

Of course it is.

Based on what?

[JayJay]

@WuWei

@tnt

@WuWei

You don’t know what the SK route was.

Test, test, test,test…

That’s what we should have done, that’s what we should be doing.

You seem to think Korea didn’t have problems with testing?

@JayJay and I had a discussion about that yesterday.

They did…Patient 31 nearly blew up their nice planning, especially since she started a cluster in a church the members of whom believe illness is a sign of sin.

But they are more “on tack” than we are at the moment.

We could look at Taiwan, who without the assistance of the WHO have managed quite well doing similar things, with the extra added step of nationalizing the medical supplies’ companies.

They’re probably the closest to what we could have tried if the Trump Administration had jumped on it earlier…he could have used the Defense Act to do something similar.

[WuWei]

@JayJay

@tnt

@JayJay

That’s not all they did.

Intrusive data collection and monitoring, with the data going into a “CentGov” database.

Clamping down on some people’s (the sick and those they came into contact with) individual freedoms…under some punitive threat (that they’d like to make even more punitive).

That’s what it takes.

I don’t have a problem at all saying you can’t put the country at risk if you are sick,

They are clamping down on anyone who came in contact with a sick person- whether sick or not.

“Clamping down” - what a nice way to put it.

[WuWei]

@JayJay

But they are more “on tack” than we are at the moment.

Are they? That is purely subjective.

[MidwestIndy]

Maybe we should have done it like Italy did.

[JayJay]

@WuWei

@JayJay

But they are more “on tack” than we are at the moment.

Are they? That is purely subjective.

No it’s not subjective. It’s math.

[JayJay]

@WuWei

@tnt

@WuWei

Probably didn’t know about them until the situation shined a light on them.

That’s one of the problems with having more laws than can be counted.

And why didn’t trump shine a light on them in Jan/Feb?

Because the statistics didn’t demand it?

Absolutely the statistics demanded it.

In a pandemic situation, you act at the beginning, not when it “starts to look serious”

[Jezcoe]

@NebraskaFootball

The Mooch is really digging in against his former boss. This video is pretty stark in showing Trump’s progression on this pandemic through his constant gaslighting.

https://twitter.com/scaramucci/status/1240985096838053889?s=21

I will allow the most gracious position on all of this and cut the President a ton of slack.

The President said that he always knew that this was going to be a pandemic.

I understand the point about wanting to downplay it and not cause panic so I will allow that is why his public face didn’t seem to take the situation too seriously. He shut the border down to China, which stopped new cases coming in from that region. Same with Europe.

The thing that bugs me though is that if I take him at his word that he “always knew” that this was going be a pandemic and sure… there was nothing that could really be done to stop the initial spread of the disease since the horse was already out of the barn… but what was done in February and March.

The much touted partnerships with the private sector… you know the guys that are being paid public money to bail out government incompetence… why weren’t those gears turning in February? Why wasn’t there ramped up production of needed medical supplies like masks and protective equipment then? The President apparently knew what was coming. He knew it would be a pandemic.

So if he knew, why wasn’t it being put into place a national response and coordination between the States? Why wasn’t there in place the mechanism to tap into equipment reserves that the Federal Government holds?

These are things that should be a “no duh” sort of thing to an Administration that always thought that this would be a pandemic.

So… why didn’t that happen behind the scenes?

[WuWei]

@JayJay

Here’s the Hank Williams view on your “Let 'er rip” comment:

Objectively, no emotion: is “let 'er rip” or destroying the economy better for the greater good?

[JayJay]

@WuWei

@JayJay

Here’s the Hank Williams view on your “Let 'er rip” comment:

Objectively, no emotion: is “let 'er rip” or destroying the economy better for the greater good?

I don’t know- model it for me.

You may even convince me.

I asked the same question weeks ago. Objectively I know shutting down the economy for even a short time is extensively damaging.

How damaging is a worst case scenario where tens of millions are sick, millions are seriously ill, and hundreds of thousands are dead or dying"?

And that’s just in this country.

[WuWei]

@JayJay

Absolutely the statistics demanded it.

In a pandemic situation, you act at the beginning, not when it “starts to look serious”

Did they? 1,000 cases and 100 deaths demanded it? Or do you have to extrapolate to justify it?

[WuWei]

@JayJay

@WuWei

@JayJay

Here’s the Hank Williams view on your “Let 'er rip” comment:

Objectively, no emotion: is “let 'er rip” or destroying the economy better for the greater good?

I don’t know- model it for me.

You may even convince me.

You do know. You aren’t naive.

You didn’t ask about Hank, I’m disappointed.

[NebraskaFootball]

@NickN

For example, I have a son in law who is a citizen in England. His mother, a woman in her 60’s, had to wait several months for surgery to remove a malignant tumor. Thank goodness in the wait time she did not die or have the cancer spread making matters worse.

Im sorry but I’m going to call garbage on this anecdote. No one in England is waiting for several months to have a diagnosed malignant/cancerous tumor removed via surgery.

@MoleUK or @Tommy-Englander Have either of you gents ever heard of such a thing happening in your country?

[JayJay]

@WuWei

@JayJay

Absolutely the statistics demanded it.

In a pandemic situation, you act at the beginning, not when it “starts to look serious”

Did they? 1,000 cases and 100 deaths demanded it? Or do you have to extrapolate to justify it?

I suppose you can pretend pandemics don’t follow a predictable path and sometimes miracles happen…