The bloated bureaucracy pre-dates Trump by decades. :roll_eyes:

Yep!

And how exactly did that stop the CDC from doing its job? :confused:

Everyone knows what has happened to employees at the NSC and State who did their jobs in ways that contradicted Donald Trump’s version of reality. Courage and conscience have consequences with Trump in charge.

He fired the people whose primary focus was to think about how to respond to pandemics.

And don’t say he didn’t…the film of him doing it came out literally seconds after he tried to pretend he didn’t do it.

With a stupid song and dance about “Well they’re not doing anything right now so I can save money and hire them back when I need them”.

Why you shouldn’t put a Reality TV star in charge of making important decisions…

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He cannot stop himself from making stuff up.

And although he denied that on national TV to Yamiche Alcindor- there is video of him talking about doing it.

It came out literally within seconds of that “nasty question”.

BTW there is a great article in the Atlantic by Ben Rhodes, who worked for Obama in the White House, about why it’s important to have groups within a President’s administration whose sole purpose is to think about one thing.

The White House, like all of us, faces information overload, but an administration is also very isolated…truly they live in their own bubble, thinking of their own priorities.

If you don’t have a group in there focused on being the voice of advocacy for an important issue it runs the risk of not being able to pierce that bubble.

Coronavirus burst onto the scene when Trump was wrapped up in impeachment, prepping to use it for his re-election campaign, and prepping for revenge against those who wronged him.

When COVID popped up, there was no one in the West Wing to tell him this could be a serious thing…and so his “rapid travel ban” didn’t happen until a month of COVID had gone by in China and several cases were already confirmed in the US (btw the virus has likely been introduced into the United States at least nine separate times, many chains not originating in China, so Trump’s China travel ban…which wasn’t complete anyway…accomplished precisely nothing).

Contrast with the “failure” of Obama during the Swine Flu epidemic (remember two that Obama had been in office a grand total of THREE MONTHS when swine flu hit and was consumed with the Recession). He declared a health emergency TWO DAYS after the first cases cropped up in California…we had screened a million people within the first few months, and a vaccine was out by August. Now he still made mistakes, and he had it easier (this was flu, a well understood virus…it also responded to antivirals and the death rate rapidly dropped down to normal flu levels) but his response was nowhere near as bad as people are making it out to be.

But more importantly, he LEARNED from his mistakes.

He learned to watch for “unexpected events” that might divert him from his agenda and make sure there were groups ready to go to work on them…this paid off when his administration expertly handled the Ebola crisis at a time when he could have been consumed with what else was going on…ISIS and Russia invading Ukraine.

And…he had the pandemic task force in place.

He learned the importance of having groups like this in place even when “they weren’t doing anything” BECAUSE he knew how easy it was to get sucked into his own information bubble.

And this is where it’s important to have a President who is intellectually curious and not wholly wrapped up in his own ego.

THIS is where Trump fails.

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Fake news not talking about it?

I asked you where you heard this.

Don’t deflect.

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Welcome back!

Trump did the single most effective thing possible with travel restrictions.

Still not seeing medical capacity stressed.

The next 2 weeks will tell us if the measures have helped.

I cannot disagree with anything you said here. The fact we are social distancing and flattening the curve now…shows we are learning from Italy. I feel like had they done that a week earlier it might not be so bad there.

If he hadn’t we’d be Italy now.

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That’s not the most effective thing. It can help delay the spread if you do it immediately (Trump did it 3 weeks after the first reported case, which is too late), but it doesn’t materially reduce the number of cases. The most effective thing is to reduce community spread.

It isn’t bad here and doesn’t look like it will get to a real emergency level.

I don’t mind the extra caution. The media rhetoric isn’t matching the level of sickness.

It might. I will hold my criticism for a couple weeks to see if medical centers do become stressed.

You are wrong. There is almost no downside to several months of international travel restrictions and screening Three weeks was fast and right.

Most epidemiologists disagree, but be that as it may, travel restrictions are useless if not coupled with efforts to reduce community spread. By the time the travel restriction was in place the virus was already over here working its way through communities. Until this week Trump downplayed that and said it would go away.

He taken bad advice…and yes even from talk radio and that included our host. Yes Hannity shouldn’t have equated it to a common flu. It’s a viruses that jumped species. You never know what it will do, our how it will mutate. I’ll leave those that know more about it to explain.

Why were the UK and Ireland excluded from the travel ban?