Cornell University leads the way with its vaccination program

westaussie · 2021-09-08T05:22:37.648Z

Aren’t grandparents allowed to see their grandkids at other times?

westaussie · 2021-09-08T05:53:11.877Z

I am sure that one could find examples for several other politicians including Boris Johnson, Donald Trump, Scott Morrison et al. It is not unusual for a section of the population who don’t like a specific politician.

One might even find examples where Nancy Pelosi is involved.

westaussie · 2021-09-08T06:13:11.878Z

A very misleading paraphrase that omits the part that speaks to waiting for medical advice about the efficacy of the vaccine.

biggestal99 · 2021-09-08T08:57:40.371Z

Ben_Natuf:

you do understand what for as long as antibodies are active means… i hope

And hence boosters.

Allan

biggestal99 · 2021-09-08T08:58:30.271Z

biggestal99:

And hence boosters.

Allan

Since there are so many fools going unvaxxed boosters are necessary.

Allan

biggestal99 · 2021-09-08T09:02:31.953Z

tnt:

1 in 5000 - or 1 in 10000 which seems possible too… Is WAY more affective than 95%. It’s about 99.98%.

And again, real life data here.

So how do you square that with your claim that efficacy means 95% are 100% immune? And keep in mind, some recent studies showed vaccines with 39-70% efficacy against delta.

The answer is, these two numbers are derived from different methodologies and therefore mean different things. And efficacy from studies ABOSLUTELY does not give you the percentage of vaccinated people 100% immune.

It
Simply
Does
Not
Mean
That

Lol. Some people just can’t admit they are wrong…like the fonz…

Allan

SottoVoce · 2021-09-08T10:34:49.747Z

WuWei:

SottoVoce:

WuWei:

SottoVoce:

People don’t know or are confused as to the medical definition of “disease.” A disease is two parts. One is the causative agent or process. Two is negative effects because of that agent or process. Asymptomatic carriers by definition do not have a “disease” since they are not negatively impacted. “Disease” is not synonymous with infection if there are no negative consequences to the infection.

Even if they are infectious?

I don’t think I agree with that.

You don’t have to. It doesn’t change the definition.

It invalidates your definition.

It’s not my definition to change.

WuWei · 2021-09-08T10:44:36.352Z

SottoVoce:

WuWei:

SottoVoce:

WuWei:

SottoVoce:

People don’t know or are confused as to the medical definition of “disease.” A disease is two parts. One is the causative agent or process. Two is negative effects because of that agent or process. Asymptomatic carriers by definition do not have a “disease” since they are not negatively impacted. “Disease” is not synonymous with infection if there are no negative consequences to the infection.

Even if they are infectious?

I don’t think I agree with that.

You don’t have to. It doesn’t change the definition.

It invalidates your definition.

It’s not my definition to change.

Sure it is.

SottoVoce · 2021-09-08T11:31:01.990Z

WuWei:

SottoVoce:

WuWei:

SottoVoce:

WuWei:

SottoVoce:

People don’t know or are confused as to the medical definition of “disease.” A disease is two parts. One is the causative agent or process. Two is negative effects because of that agent or process. Asymptomatic carriers by definition do not have a “disease” since they are not negatively impacted. “Disease” is not synonymous with infection if there are no negative consequences to the infection.

Even if they are infectious?

I don’t think I agree with that.

You don’t have to. It doesn’t change the definition.

It invalidates your definition.

It’s not my definition to change.

Sure it is.

People can google the world. Medical textbooks exists. But whatever makes people happy.

WuWei · 2021-09-08T11:33:54.616Z

SottoVoce:

People can google the world. Medical textbooks exists. But whatever makes people happy.

Your profession moved on from logic a long time ago.

Bill.in.PA · 2021-09-08T11:37:23.364Z

The 1/5000 number appears to be based on the fact that less that only a small fraction of 1% of the unvaccinated people get COVID during the time frame a study.

Where is the link to the original study? I still see no link, and I am not going to pay money see the BS from Times.

SottoVoce · 2021-09-08T11:39:19.510Z

WuWei:

SottoVoce:

People can google the world. Medical textbooks exists. But whatever makes people happy.

Your profession moved on from logic a long time ago.

Ooh. Even better. Glad we have new medical experts using logic around.

WuWei · 2021-09-08T11:47:09.883Z

SottoVoce:

WuWei:

SottoVoce:

People can google the world. Medical textbooks exists. But whatever makes people happy.

Your profession moved on from logic a long time ago.

Ooh. Even better. Glad we have new medical experts using logic around.

The medical profession bases its decisions on consensus, not logic.

zantax · 2021-09-08T12:13:16.607Z

Why are we still using 95%? Doesn’t apply to current variants.

gooddad409 · 2021-09-08T12:14:40.750Z

Bill.in.PA:

Here is what Fauci is saying about the unvaccinated:

We could turn this thing around and do it efficiently and quickly if we got those people vaccinated. --Dr. Fauci

‘We could turn this around’: Dr. Fauci encouraging everyone to get vaccinated as cases climb

Cornell has a 95% vaccination rate, and it is seeing a record number of cases. Countries with much higher vaccination rates than the US are still seeing major outbreaks.

Is Fauci lying or is he just ignoring reality?

Yes. To both.

SottoVoce · 2021-09-08T12:16:05.536Z

WuWei:

SottoVoce:

WuWei:

SottoVoce:

People can google the world. Medical textbooks exists. But whatever makes people happy.

Your profession moved on from logic a long time ago.

Ooh. Even better. Glad we have new medical experts using logic around.

The medical profession bases its decisions on consensus, not logic.

The great thing is, I don’t doubt you believe that.

WuWei · 2021-09-08T12:30:56.833Z

SottoVoce:

WuWei:

SottoVoce:

WuWei:

SottoVoce:

People can google the world. Medical textbooks exists. But whatever makes people happy.

Your profession moved on from logic a long time ago.

Ooh. Even better. Glad we have new medical experts using logic around.

The medical profession bases its decisions on consensus, not logic.

The great thing is, I don’t doubt you believe that.

I know it to be true.

Ben_Natuf · 2021-09-08T12:42:30.066Z

you are. you do understand math right. if you have a 96% better chance of not getting a disease than someone not vaccinated, then you have a 4% chance of having the same chance of getting the disease as someone not vaccinated. eventually that 4% will catch up to you. so where are all the polio cases?

SottoVoce · 2021-09-08T12:54:31.367Z

WuWei:

SottoVoce:

WuWei:

SottoVoce:

WuWei:

SottoVoce:

People can google the world. Medical textbooks exists. But whatever makes people happy.

Your profession moved on from logic a long time ago.

Ooh. Even better. Glad we have new medical experts using logic around.

The medical profession bases its decisions on consensus, not logic.

The great thing is, I don’t doubt you believe that.

I know it to be true.

Even better.

Konssurvative1 · 2021-09-08T13:05:41.126Z

It was the talking point used by Ben_Natuf in this discussion…it’s purely a hypothetical number at this point, but does not change the fact that what he is saying about the efficacy is completely wrong in the standard definition of the word efficacy when talking about vaccines.