Consenus in Jeopardy (Again)

Cratic3947 · 2021-10-08T00:52:59.833Z

DisturbedGuy:

Cratic3947:

If you are vaccinated, why care about others cheating?

If my local hospitals are jam packed with unvaccinated covid patients that is a problem for me. My community was on divert a few weeks ago to hospitals 55 minutes away. That is my concern and always has been. Preventing overwhelming the healthcare system.

They were on divert with over 50% people vaxxed and most wearing masks? Then how do you know the govt’s recommendation work at all?

DisturbedGuy · 2021-10-08T00:58:52.859Z

Cratic3947:

DisturbedGuy:

Cratic3947:

If you are vaccinated, why care about others cheating?

If my local hospitals are jam packed with unvaccinated covid patients that is a problem for me. My community was on divert a few weeks ago to hospitals 55 minutes away. That is my concern and always has been. Preventing overwhelming the healthcare system.

They were on divert with over 50% people vaxxed and most wearing masks? Then how do you know the govt’s recommendation work at all?

My state is at 54% vaccinated and I’m in the heart of anti-vax land.

Zander · 2021-10-08T01:24:55.082Z

DisturbedGuy:

WuWei:

DisturbedGuy:

WuWei:

DisturbedGuy:

Sadly, it’s because you can’t count on the honor system anymore.

Infantilization is your excuse?

How is what I said not true? Mandates are because you can’t expect the unvaccinated to do it otherwise. It’s reasonable to assume those that were anti-mask are also anti-vaccine.

Why do you feel to get to determine what other people should do?

“Reasonable” is a meaningless word. On what logic do you base that stupid assumption?

Honestly, I quit caring about it a while ago. Everyone I care about is vaccinated. Six posed a question and I answered it.

Amen to this.

It’s become an absolute obsession for the virtue signalers on both sides.

“I’ve gotten three vaccines and still wear a mask in my car because I’m a good, responsible person.”

“I didn’t get a single damn vaccine because I’m a freedom patriot, not a lemming.”

And these people are so bothered by each other, they complain, constantly, about the other group. After all these months, it’s still incessant.

DougBH · 2021-10-08T01:32:06.998Z

DisturbedGuy:

WuWei:

DisturbedGuy:

Sadly, it’s because you can’t count on the honor system anymore.

Infantilization is your excuse?

How is what I said not true? Mandates are because you can’t expect the unvaccinated to do it otherwise. It’s reasonable to assume those that were anti-mask are also anti-vaccine.

DisturbedGuy:

WuWei:

DisturbedGuy:

Sadly, it’s because you can’t count on the honor system anymore.

Infantilization is your excuse?

How is what I said not true? Mandates are because you can’t expect the unvaccinated to do it otherwise. It’s reasonable to assume those that were anti-mask are also anti-vaccine.

No, it isn’t. Those are two different things with different degrees of support by scientists and different evidence of benefits.

Cratic3947 · 2021-10-08T01:34:15.494Z

DisturbedGuy:

Cratic3947:

DisturbedGuy:

Cratic3947:

If you are vaccinated, why care about others cheating?

If my local hospitals are jam packed with unvaccinated covid patients that is a problem for me. My community was on divert a few weeks ago to hospitals 55 minutes away. That is my concern and always has been. Preventing overwhelming the healthcare system.

They were on divert with over 50% people vaxxed and most wearing masks? Then how do you know the govt’s recommendation work at all?

My state is at 54% vaccinated and I’m in the heart of anti-vax land.

Yes, That’s my point. What percent of the people causing you hospital to divert already were vaxxed?

FloridaYankee · 2021-10-08T01:40:24.819Z

Oh look, another anti vaccine thread…

JimmyC · 2021-10-08T07:45:34.570Z

If we didn’t need to determine what other people should do we’d have no need for laws. Who am I to determine someone shouldn’t rob or rape or kill me?

WuWei · 2021-10-08T10:43:25.769Z

rob or rape or kill me?

Have a nice day.

thinkingman · 2021-10-08T10:53:11.269Z

JayJay:

News flash. Getting an illness from a virus is almost always more effective than getting a vaccine against a virus.

The point of a vaccine is to get enough of a benefit without all the bother of getting ill.

but too bad people who had it are going to lose their jobs for not getting vax huh?

governing

thinkingman · 2021-10-08T10:56:53.541Z

JimmyC:

If we didn’t need to determine what other people should do we’d have no need for laws. Who am I to determine someone shouldn’t rob or rape or kill me?

just because there are laws doesnt mean there shouldnt be freedom

thinkingman · 2021-10-08T10:58:21.654Z

Cratic3947:

If you are vaccinated, why care about others cheating?

exactly!

because sheep hate when other people arent sheep

WuWei · 2021-10-08T11:01:06.056Z

thinkingman:

just because there are laws doesnt mean there shouldnt be freedom

The more justice the less freedom. The more freedom the less justice.
Horkheimer

thinkingman · 2021-10-08T11:01:57.930Z

WuWei:

thinkingman:

just because there are laws doesnt mean there shouldnt be freedom

The more justice the less freedom. The more freedom the less justice.
Horkheimer

i agree there needs to be a balance.

NJBob · 2021-10-08T11:05:06.060Z

thinkingman:

JimmyC:

If we didn’t need to determine what other people should do we’d have no need for laws. Who am I to determine someone shouldn’t rob or rape or kill me?

just because there are laws doesnt mean there shouldnt be freedom

Don’t laws, by their very nature, restrict people’s freedoms?

thinkingman · 2021-10-08T11:56:01.080Z

NJBob:

thinkingman:

JimmyC:

If we didn’t need to determine what other people should do we’d have no need for laws. Who am I to determine someone shouldn’t rob or rape or kill me?

just because there are laws doesnt mean there shouldnt be freedom

Don’t laws, by their very nature, restrict people’s freedoms?

yes they do

biggestal99 · 2021-10-08T12:01:40.122Z

SixFoot:

No matter how loudly a snot-nosed TV addict screams “Consensus!”, there’s never one. Science is never as settled as the faithful demand

So the earth revolving around the sun is just a theory foisted on us by TV.

Right…

Let’s face it. There are certain scientific facts that are settled.

Just because you don’t like certain facts, they are all questionable.

Allan

biggestal99 · 2021-10-08T12:03:53.365Z

NJBob:

Don’t laws, by their very nature, restrict people’s freedoms?

Exactly, people can’t freely use their car to run red lights without repercussions.

“red light laws stifle my freedom”

Allan

thinkingman · 2021-10-08T12:06:13.566Z

biggestal99:

Let’s face it. There are certain scientific facts that are settled.

that doesnt mean other science is settled just because someone says so

thinkingman · 2021-10-08T12:09:20.024Z

biggestal99:

NJBob:

Don’t laws, by their very nature, restrict people’s freedoms?

Exactly, people can’t freely use their car to run red lights without repercussions.

“red light laws stifle my freedom”

Allan

i dont see anyone making such idiotic declarations and even if they did it has nothing to do with using bad science to infringe on people’s rights

biggestal99 · 2021-10-08T12:11:35.278Z

thinkingman:

that doesnt mean other science is settled just because someone says so

True enough. It always takes a while for a fact to become settled.

Allan