Congress Approval, Support for Impeaching Trump Both Up

[WorldWatcher]

@westaussie

If Trump is removed from office, won’t that make it possible for him to be charged as he will no longer be the President of the USA?

Yes.

Unless he pardons himself. Which would be another whole can of worms are there are those that claim the president’s pardon power is not limited and he and his family can be protected in such a manner.
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[LucyLou]

@SimplyTrying

@LucyLou

@Safiel

Congress Approval, Support for Impeaching Trump Both Up

52% now support impeachment and removal from office.

It is highly relevant that Nixon resigned when that number reached 58%, just 6 points away.

I now believe that conviction is MUCH more likely in the Senate, as Republicans are highly pissed off with Trump’s actions in the Middle East and may decide to use the Senate trial to conduct a “palace coup.” On the surface, they would vote to convict on the charges presented, but in reality they would be voting to rid themselves of a liability.

It is highly important that, if Trump is convicted in the Senate, that the Senate take the precautionary step of forever disqualifying him from holding any office of honor or profit under the United States. If they don’t do that, he could theoretically be reelected in 2020. By disqualifying him, they immediately end his 2020 candidacy and Republicans must select a new ticket.

Oh, and Mitch McConnell has instructed Republican Senators to prepare for an impeachment trial by Thanksgiving.

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No doubt they want Trump out of the way prior to the beginning of the primary and caucus season.

Nothing in the way of removal from office now. Trump has burned his last bridges with Senate Republicans and the whole sordid story is rapidly being told by witnesses.

Trump will likely be gone by Christmas.

I will not miss him.

Not particularly fond of Pence either, but hopefully a better candidate can displace him for 2020.

I’m one of your biggest fans.

Trump needs to stink around the neck of Republicans way past Christmas. Sorry. Y’all don’t get off that easily.

Stink around the neck? Typo or intentional? Apropos anyway.

Intentional.

[westaussie]

Thanks. Could you please clarify whether Trump would be able to pardon himself from potential State charges or is it limit to only Federal charges?

[WuWei]

The very first political forum I ever tried to participate in was a Scottish newspaper forum, the Herald maybe.

They were welcoming at first, then we all discovered despite my ancestry being Scot, I didn’t know anything at all about politics in that area and offered pretty much nothing to the discussion. I’ve been much happier here.

[Jezcoe]

@Safiel

@Cynic

They give masters in banjo now?

The scary thing is that a person probably could get a Master of Music with a concentration in Banjo.

But mine are in Agricultural and Business Administration.

But, every year they hold the Old Fiddler’s Convention in Galax, Virginia, just 20 miles north of my new property so I can hear me plenty of them banjos.

Nice. I have been to that… just to watch. Went to Va Tech and then worked at the Barter Theater in Abington for a while.

That was a lifetime ago.

[moonshine]

@westaussie

Thanks. Could you please clarify whether Trump would be able to pardon himself from potential State charges or is it limit to only Federal charges?

only federal

[westaussie]

It is my understanding that D Trump is being investigated for possible state charges. Is that correct?

[WorldWatcher]

@westaussie

Thanks. Could you please clarify whether Trump would be able to pardon himself from potential State charges or is it limit to only Federal charges?

Limited to federal charges.

US Constitution, Article II, Section 2 Pardon clause: “and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.”

“Offences against the United States” means federal, He does not have the power to pardon crimes against state law which (for example) would be crimes against the State of New York (for say fraud or money laundering).

“except in Cases of Impeachment” means that he does not have the power to reverse (or pardon) an impeachment action whether against him or any other Federal office holder subject to impeachment (such as federal judges or cabinet members). Impeachment being a political action to remove from office means he can’t stop it, and he would then be eligible for criminal prosecution once he left office.

Now theoretically if he committed federal crimes he could pardon himself, his family, and members of his administration before an impeachment trial was complete. That means no federal prosecutor could touch him, however State prosecutors could still try him under State law violations.
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