Comparative Hypocrisy H1N1 2009 vs Covid19 in2020

sikofit · 2020-03-03T22:09:04.743Z

Jezcoe:

I might be wrong… but isn’t the H1N1 swine flu the one that the CEC has a field day about not getting the vaccine?

Didn’t Glenn Beck say something like “Do you trust your government?”

Your memory serves you well. They were scaring listeners about it

Media Matters for America

Beck, Limbaugh fomenting fear about H1N1 vaccine

In recent days, both Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh have suggested that the H1N1 flu vaccine may be unsafe and questioned the Obama administration's recommendation that Americans get vaccinated, with Limbaugh asserting that "[y]ou'll be healthier" if...

sikofit · 2020-03-03T22:11:07.571Z

WildRose:

No, the vaccine was available.

CDC H1N1 Flu | Vaccine General Info

Yes and conservative pundits like Beck and Limbaugh were questioning whether it was safe

Media Matters for America

Beck, Limbaugh fomenting fear about H1N1 vaccine

In recent days, both Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh have suggested that the H1N1 flu vaccine may be unsafe and questioned the Obama administration's recommendation that Americans get vaccinated, with Limbaugh asserting that "[y]ou'll be healthier" if...

mobiusptc · 2020-03-03T22:13:53.700Z

NebraskaFootball:

LucyLou:

NebraskaFootball:

This thread is really entertaining!

I’m loving it.

It’s like watching a car-wreck in real time, slow-motion

in MST3K format

mobiusptc · 2020-03-03T22:14:38.019Z

sikofit:

Jezcoe:

I might be wrong… but isn’t the H1N1 swine flu the one that the CEC has a field day about not getting the vaccine?

Didn’t Glenn Beck say something like “Do you trust your government?”

Your memory serves you well. They were scaring listeners about it

https://www.mediamatters.org/rush-limbaugh/beck-limbaugh-fomenting-fear-about-h1n1-vaccine

and that was all even before the Ebola scare

adroit · 2020-03-03T22:19:44.921Z

WildRose:

How long did it take the Obama Administration to declare a health emergency in 2009?

Eleven days from the time the first case was detected.

conan · 2020-03-03T22:25:28.047Z

after the peak of illness during the second wave had come and gone in the United States. From April 12, 2009 to April 10, 2010, CDC estimated there were 60.8 million cases (range: 43.3-89.3 million), 274,304 hospitalizations (range: 195,086-402,719), and 12,469 deaths (range: 8868-18,306) in the United States due to the (H1N1)pdm09 virus.

Centers for Disease Control and Prevention – 11 Jun 19

2009 H1N1 Pandemic

A summary of key events of the 2009 H1N1 pandemic and the CDC's response activities between April 2009 and April 2010.

So do the math, this virus is about 22 to 25 times more deadlier?

As for Florida with all retired people and nursing home…it doesn’t look good for Fla if they get hit hard.

H_Arendt · 2020-03-03T22:25:39.831Z

WildRose:

Trump declared an emergency early last month and ordered travel restrictions and quarantines.

And he also assured the public that the number of cases in the US would soon go to zero.

A real leader would not be grousing about the media but would do three things.

Tell the public that this is a serious matter and that while we all hope for the best we have to prepare for the worst
Announce that an unquestionable top notch medical and epidemiological team of experts is advising the US government on what to do. Never pick someone who discounts medical science to lead such an effort!
State that his job is to make sure that the resources that team needs are provided as quickly as possible.

adroit · 2020-03-03T22:26:18.743Z

WildRose:

How many people had died before the emergency was declared in 2009?

Zero. The public health emergency was declared on April 26, 2009. Obama declared a National Emergency (a much different thing) in October of 2009.

A public health emergency was declared on January 31, 2020 [2]. Trump has not declared a National Emergency and has said that’s premature [3]

CDC H1N1 Flu | Swine Influenza A (H1N1) Update - April 26, 2009
https://www.hhs.gov/about/news/2020/01/31/secretary-azar-declares-public-health-emergency-us-2019-novel-coronavirus.html
Trump: Premature to Declare National Emergency Due to Coronavirus

WildRose · 2020-03-03T22:27:54.614Z

Potentially so for sure.

What would the public reaction be if Trump had waiting to take any significant steps to stop the spread until there were already 10,000 dead?

kingarthur65 · 2020-03-03T22:28:49.293Z

H_Arendt:

WildRose:

Trump declared an emergency early last month and ordered travel restrictions and quarantines.

And he also assured the public that the number of cases in the US would soon go to zero.

A real leader would not be grousing about the media but would do three things.

Tell the public that this is a serious matter and that while we all hope for the best we have to prepare for the worst

Announce that an unquestionable top notch medical and epidemiological team of experts is advising the US government on what to do. Never pick someone who discounts medical science to lead such an effort!

State that his job is to make sure that the resources that team needs are provided as quickly as possible.

Good point. Let’s see how Obama explained the H1N1 to the American people and compare

whitehouse.gov – 30 Apr 09

The President's Remarks on H1N1

Here are the President’s remarks on the H1N1 flu virus during the opening of last night’s press conference

First, we are continuing to closely monitor the emergency cases of the H1N1 flu virus throughout the United States. As I said this morning, this is obviously a very serious situation, and every American should know that their entire government is taking the utmost precautions and preparations. Our public health officials have recommended that schools with confirmed or suspected cases of this flu strongly consider temporarily closing. And if more schools are forced to close, we’ve recommended that both parents and businesses think about contingency plans if their children do have to stay home.

I’ve requested an immediate $1.5 billion in emergency funding from Congress to support our ability to monitor and track this virus and to build our supply of antiviral drugs and other equipment, and we will also ensure that those materials get to where they need to be as quickly as possible

WildRose · 2020-03-03T22:29:39.906Z

He picked someone who actually has experience as the point man for the team of experts on the subject.

He also issued a travel ban and quarantines before the first case even reached the US with his emergency declaration on the 31st of January.

H_Arendt · 2020-03-03T22:30:57.316Z

WildRose:

He picked someone who actually has experience as the point man for the team of experts on the subject.

He also issued a travel ban and quarantines before the first case even reached the US with his emergency declaration on the 31st of January.

He picked someone who ignored the experts when he was Governor of Indiana and created his own local HIV cluster. And a man who has published claims that there is no link between smoking and mortality.

conan · 2020-03-03T22:31:15.804Z

The different between H1N1 and Covid19 was Covid19 hits the elderly hard while it seem H1N1 didn’t so much age discriminate.

sikofit · 2020-03-03T22:31:31.125Z

WildRose:

Potentially so for sure.

What would the public reaction be if Trump had waiting to take any significant steps to stop the spread until there were already 10,000 dead?

Good thing that’s not what happened

sikofit · 2020-03-03T22:32:49.433Z

WildRose:

He picked someone who actually has experience as the point man for the team of experts on the subject

You can’t be serious? What experience does Pence have?

WildRose · 2020-03-03T22:33:06.378Z

No he didn’t. He took the traditional LE approach rather than welcoming the state becoming part of the supply chain.

The arguments over needle exchange programs and providing “safe places” for users to shoot up have been going on for decades and will continue to do so.

WildRose · 2020-03-03T22:34:10.016Z

He was governor during the SARS outbreak in Indiana.

NuffSaid · 2020-03-03T22:34:58.929Z

sikofit:

WildRose:

He picked someone who actually has experience as the point man for the team of experts on the subject

You can’t be serious? What experience does Pence have?

He can Jesus it away

sikofit · 2020-03-03T22:35:14.620Z

WildRose:

He was governor during the SARS outbreak in Indiana.

What specific actions did he take as Governor? Anything?

H_Arendt · 2020-03-03T22:36:06.503Z

WildRose:

No he didn’t. He took the traditional LE approach rather than welcoming the state becoming part of the supply chain.

The arguments over needle exchange programs and providing “safe places” for users to shoot up have been going on for decades and will continue to do so.

The statement I responded to was that Pence had experience leading teams of experts in such situations. My point was that he ignored the experts. You agree on that point, so let’s agree he is not effective at leading teams of experts.

Whether Pence felt he was right or not is irrelevant to the matter under discussion.