CNBC: "There isn’t enough copper in the world — and the shortage could last till 2030"

Supreme_War_Pig · 2023-02-13T21:29:20.659Z

Does it have to be copper? What about aluminum?

Gaius · 2023-02-13T21:44:09.304Z

Supreme_War_Pig:

Does it have to be copper? What about aluminum?

I am not an expert on the topic.
I recently learned that the many many tons of high voltage wires (needed to upgrade the grids with or without EVS) is made of aluminum.

If we consider all the energy capacity, carried by all the all the oil pipelines in America, being replaced by aluminum wires carrying the same amount of energy . . . think we might run into an aluminum shortage too.

We’re talking a lot of miles of some very large pipeline.

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zantax · 2023-02-13T21:53:53.561Z

Gaius:

Impenitent:

we’ll have to find another conductor or something…

I’m guessing the engineers and geologists working on it know their trade and have not found a cheaper solution than digging up more copper.

Then again Nikola Tesla considered all the available conductors and foresaw this day. He knew one day we would run out of conductive metals eventually and wanted to build a network of tall towers and send lighting bolts from power plant to city to next city, His calculations are still around somewhere.

Really dumb idea to try and send electricity through the air or ground like that. Because physics. Incredibly inefficient. You would be broadcasting electricity everywhere only to pick some of it back up where the power is needed. Long read but thorough debunking of his ideas.

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Safiel · 2023-02-13T21:54:26.447Z

Supreme_War_Pig:

Does it have to be copper? What about aluminum?

A LOT of burned down houses, courtesy of aluminum wiring.

I don’t think we want to go there.

Gaius · 2023-02-13T21:57:26.139Z

zantax:

Gaius:

Impenitent:

we’ll have to find another conductor or something…

I’m guessing the engineers and geologists working on it know their trade and have not found a cheaper solution than digging up more copper.

Then again Nikola Tesla considered all the available conductors and foresaw this day. He knew one day we would run out of conductive metals eventually and wanted to build a network of tall towers and send lighting bolts from power plant to city to next city, His calculations are still around somewhere.

Really dumb idea to try and send electricity through the air or ground like that. Because physics. Incredibly inefficient. You would be broadcasting electricity everywhere only to pick some of it back up where the power is needed. Long read but thorough debunking of his ideas.

Tesla’s folly – why Wardenclyffe didn’t work

I figured there was a good reason we did not do things that way.

Camp · 2023-02-13T21:58:16.752Z

Besides there is a shortage of Al also.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-01-15/goldman-raises-aluminum-forecasts-on-higher-chinese-and-european-demand

Cu is perfect because of it’s electron configuration and ability to flow them.

Safiel · 2023-02-13T22:02:17.794Z

Silver is actually better, but unfortunately, at least 100 times more expensive.

Gaius · 2023-02-13T22:07:41.360Z

I recently ordered one piece of sodium and one piece of copper.
When the delivery guy showed up, I noticed that he was only holding the sodium. I asked him,

“Did you have the copper with you?”

He replied,
Na right now, Cu later."

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Eagle-Keeper · 2023-02-13T22:22:05.674Z

Cratic3947:

This is why the market and not the govt should be in charge of the economy. The govt is full of fools led by the corrupt. They don’t care if products work.

The political elites always live by a different set of rules than the sheeple. It won’t effect them.

SixFoot · 2023-02-13T22:51:38.301Z

Supreme_War_Pig:

Does it have to be copper? What about aluminum?

The 5 most electrically conductive metals:

Silver
Copper
Gold
Aluminum
Zinc

And then there’s the meth heads mentioned earlier. lol

Supreme_War_Pig · 2023-02-13T23:13:25.758Z

Safiel:

Supreme_War_Pig:

Does it have to be copper? What about aluminum?

A LOT of burned down houses, courtesy of aluminum wiring.

I don’t think we want to go there.

Hmmm.

Gaius · 2023-02-13T23:23:22.137Z

Ya gotta admit, my idea is way cooler.

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Supreme_War_Pig · 2023-02-13T23:23:57.374Z

Oh, no doubt. I’m a total fan.

Eagle-Keeper · 2023-02-13T23:44:22.740Z

Gaius:

What could this possibly mean for the move to make everything run on electricity?

Well, we’d better start opening more copper mines.

There’s not enough resources in the world to meet the needs of the projected 10 billion people to inhabit this planet in the next 25 years.

Gaius · 2023-02-13T23:50:14.941Z

Eagle-Keeper:

Gaius:

What could this possibly mean for the move to make everything run on electricity?

Well, we’d better start opening more copper mines.

There’s not enough resources in the world to meet the needs of the projected 10 billion people to inhabit this planet in the next 25 years.

There is always enough resources.

FreeAndClear · 2023-02-14T00:03:21.543Z

Cratic3947:

This is why the market and not the govt should be in charge of the economy. The govt is full of fools led by the corrupt. They don’t care if products work.

Now do big pharma companies.

Gaius · 2023-02-14T00:11:59.677Z

FreeAndClear:

Cratic3947:

This is why the market and not the govt should be in charge of the economy. The govt is full of fools led by the corrupt. They don’t care if products work.

Now do big pharma companies.

I think James O’Keefe already did them.

FreeAndClear · 2023-02-14T01:06:10.468Z

Gaius:

FreeAndClear:

Cratic3947:

This is why the market and not the govt should be in charge of the economy. The govt is full of fools led by the corrupt. They don’t care if products work.

Now do big pharma companies.

I think James O’Keefe already did them.

market!!

Gaius · 2023-02-14T01:18:36.282Z

FreeAndClear:

market!!

I am pretty sure the government was involved.

Subsidies and mandates, only begin the heavy-handed government involvement on that one. (You have heard about the subsides and mandates right?)

FreeAndClear · 2023-02-14T01:23:35.298Z

Gaius:

FreeAndClear:

market!!

I am pretty sure the government was involved.

Subsidies and mandates, only begin the heavy-handed government involvement on that one. (You have heard about the subsides and mandates right?)

The government has been “involved” with the market since the founding of this country. “The market” is a fantasy.