Closing the Wealth Gap

Jezcoe · 2018-08-04T19:08:56.823Z

Jezcoe:

bootz:

tell me that Teddy Roosevelt is the same as Huey b long. The rhetoric and policies of the early progressive movement did nothing to solve the wealth concentration as all those policies have been in place for 100 years, still a wealth gap. But nothing like the Bernie movement. do you think they are equal?

the socialist party has been in America for more than 100 years, Bernie is a revival.

here is your brief wiki history
History of the socialist movement in the United States - Wikipedia

The policies of the New Deal have been systematically dismantled I’ve the past few decades.

Reagan era policies started the ball rolling… Clinton really gave it a huge push.

The repeal of Glass Stegall

Jezcoe · 2018-08-04T19:09:27.003Z

bootz:

still waiting for examples

Dude. Chill.

Call_me_Ishmael · 2018-08-04T19:14:09.901Z

bootz:

I like to think of radicals as a description for left wing movements. it is easy to broadly generalize.

There is that special group of intellectuals and wannabe intellectuals that crave political power so that they can become social engineers. They are -in my opinion - radicals.

“Whether the conflicts and resentments that exist in every society are peacefully resolved or explode in revolution is largely determined by two factors: the existence of democratic institutions able to redress grievances through legislation and the ability of intellectuals to fan the flames of social discontent for the purpose of gaining power. For it is intellectuals who transmute specific, and therefore remediable, grievances into a wholesale rejection of the status quo. Rebellions happen; revolutions are made.”

The Russian Revolution
Richard Pipes 1990

Jezcoe · 2018-08-04T19:26:40.804Z

bootz:

throughout History a few controlled wealth and therefore power, Capitalism allowed more to have wealth and influence power, that is far better for the average person.

Capitalism after the progressive era allowed a lot more people to have wealth and influence.

Lassez fairs Capitalism ensures a huge concentration of wealth at the top.

bootz · 2018-08-04T19:35:11.785Z

medicare. Medicaid, Obamacare, social security. 21 trillion in debt ………………………………

bootz · 2018-08-04T19:36:45.897Z

like the radical left today

bootz · 2018-08-04T19:37:41.244Z

how would we know that, is there an historical example?

bootz · 2018-08-04T19:48:31.455Z

I just read all my posts and did not find one where I said democratic socialist were Nazis, I did say many times the rhetoric was similar. Rhetoric or propaganda is why I focused on Goebbels quotes. I have also compared the lefts control of the media to Goebbels, I have never compared anyone to Hitler is this string.

Call_me_Ishmael · 2018-08-04T19:58:09.438Z

bootz:

like the radical left today

There is no more perfect picture of the morons who opened the gates for the Bolsheviks than the progressive liberals of today. Their tricks, their philosophy of social engineering, their oh-thats-not-us criticism of the like minded wackos who get caught doing violent and socially transformational acts, their belief that THEY know better what we need, their incessant need to control our thoughts and words… it is them. Whether the petri dish conditions are just the same now as they were then for this breed of disease, I dont know. But they are of the same mind.

bootz · 2018-08-04T20:08:51.189Z

it is hard for me to understand that not everybody sees that

altair1013 · 2018-08-04T20:29:23.182Z

bootz:

medicare. Medicaid, Obamacare, social security. 21 trillion in debt ………………………………

To be fair. I don’t trust either party regarding the national debt. Neither have earned an ounce of my trust. They both do nothing then blame the other party for it. They both suck.

bootz · 2018-08-04T20:34:30.916Z

like a black hole

Jezcoe · 2018-08-04T22:17:32.702Z

bootz:

I just read all my posts and did not find one where I said democratic socialist were Nazis, I did say many times the rhetoric was similar. Rhetoric or propaganda is why I focused on Goebbels quotes. I have also compared the lefts control of the media to Goebbels, I have never compared anyone to Hitler is this string.

There is no ulterior motive to you bringing Geobbels into the conversation… sure.

Jezcoe · 2018-08-04T22:18:00.907Z

bootz:

how would we know that, is there an historical example?

The closest I can think of is the guilded age.

Jezcoe · 2018-08-04T22:19:17.160Z

bootz:

medicare. Medicaid, Obamacare, social security. 21 trillion in debt ………………………………

The social safety net helps the middle class.

The debt is from the belief that you don’t have to pay for it.

bootz · 2018-08-05T16:54:42.571Z

as i stated previously, Goebbels was minister of propaganda. it is the messaging i am referring to as the second sentence in the OP

bootz · 2018-08-05T16:56:29.257Z

the guilded age and Upton Sinclair is a fiction, refer back to the stimulative impact Lincoln had with public private partnerships.

bootz · 2018-08-05T16:58:19.668Z

the social safety net helps the middle class? can you quantify that versus if they did not exist?

Does welfare help the inner cities?

Jezcoe · 2018-08-05T17:29:27.977Z

bootz:

the social safety net helps the middle class? can you quantify that versus if they did not exist?

Does welfare help the inner cities?

A good portion of the problem that caused inner city decay was the policy of redlining.

One cannot turn back the clock, but if the same middle class wealth building policies of 30 year fixed rate mortgages was applied evenly to all people… then there would likely be a lot more diverse ownership and wealth in the the inner cities.

bootz · 2018-08-05T17:38:12.793Z

Back to the old reasoned Jezcoe,

Yet, after the many financial meltdowns caused by real estate and banks, you cling to the idea that government subsidies are a good thing.

Redlining may be a cause of some inner city troubles, but the last bubble was pro minority.

perhaps it was the high crime areas after industry moved out due to tax policies.

so what do you think of the Jack Kemp initiatives?