Climate change thread of despair

[dantes]

So no matter what we do, the developing nations are going to pollute.

So remind me why you want to pollute here again?

[dantes]

Sure. You don’t mind if we start by polluting “a little” in your back yard? If you don’t mind, your neighbors will.

[Smyrna]

@dantes

Sure. You don’t mind if we start by polluting “a little” in your back yard? If you don’t mind, your neighbors will.

If we went back to outhouses, gardens, no cellphones and a clean environment…I’d be fine with that.

[dantes]

The environment was not nearly as clean back in that day as people assume.

[mobulis]

@zantax

@dantes

Gotcha. We pollute here so we don’t have to pollute there.

Seems like a suboptimal outcome.

Pollute a little here so we don’t end up polluting more there, correct. Interesting that so called liberals are so on board dumping all our toxins on the poor in undeveloped countries though. There are three choices, strict regulation here, which drives factories overseas to pollute even more, less regulation here which keeps them here and polluting less, or stop importing products from low pollution regulation countries. Pick one.

Ah no what does that is greed.

[SimplyTrying]

@TheRedComet

The sun doesn’t have the mass to fuse Iron. That’s a requirement for a star to go super nova.

The sun will become a red giant and then collapse into a white dwarf.

OK, my mistake. Thanks.

[Chris]

I thought that carbon dioxide wasn’t pollution.

[MichaelScarn]

@Smyrna

If we went back to outhouses, gardens, no cellphones and a clean environment…I’d be fine with that.

“back to” a clean environment?

[Jezcoe]

@Smyrna

@dantes

So how do you propose we get China to stop polluting?

Understand that clean air and water means that you won’t save as much at Walmart…you can’t have both. It’s taken 4 decades to arrive at where “we” are now and the answer will take decades to fix.

If you want something you have to pay for it.

That is one of life’s truisms that people tend to ignore.

We are going to pay either way… the question is if that cost will be borne at point of sale or if it will socialized later at a much higher cost.

[Smyrna]

@Jezcoe

If you want something you have to pay for it.

That is one of life’s truisms that people tend to ignore.

We are going to pay either way… the question is if that cost will be borne at point of sale or if it will socialized later at a much higher cost.

Bam…and don’t leave out our growing national debt that children not even born yet will be responsible for.

[Jezcoe]

@Smyrna

@Jezcoe

If you want something you have to pay for it.

That is one of life’s truisms that people tend to ignore.

We are going to pay either way… the question is if that cost will be borne at point of sale or if it will socialized later at a much higher cost.

Bam…and don’t leave out our growing national debt that children not even born yet will be responsible for.

We can cut more taxes to pay for that.

[Smyrna]

@Jezcoe

We can cut more taxes to pay for that.

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[tnt]

@Hellsbane

Planet has survive far worse. Fear mongering wont change diddly or squat. The unbelievable part of the whole global warming thing is the man made part. Everything else is pretty much OK, up to the point we really don’t know enough about the climate to make any honest judgement one way or the other.

The planet has. But living organisms…not so much.

Also - how can you not see how man’s activity - which on a geological time scale went from zero to incredibly high in about 0.00000000001% of the earth’s life? It’s just unreal.

For millions of years of the relatively stable ecosystem’s life - in which this stable system was bothered only by occasional natural disasters (which still will occur BTW, making matters worse) - there were zero cars. Zero mining. Zero factories. ZERO EMMESSIONS other than natural ones.

And now we cover the plate in things that burn carbon and emit gas. Literally cover it.

A two hour time frame movie on the USA taken from space over the course of the earth’s life since our atmosphere stabilized would be one hour, 59 minute and 59 seconds of nothing but the rocky mountains, the great lakes and the mississippi river visible from space…night would be completely dark. The last second of the movie and you would see massive cities everywhere, smog that is visible from space and night would be like looking at the stars.

This is crazy to deny our culpability.

[Samm]

@dantes

Can you do us both a favor and dispense with the “you know you are wrong” business?

Sorry. My bad. I just assumed that you knew; everyone else does.

[dantes]

Oh lord. You never stop with the condescension, do you?

[Samm]

@dantes

It kills me that the solution is to eliminate environmental rules in an effort to bring it back.

The CWA and the CAA are very firmly established in our Statutes and Regulations and are in no danger what so ever of being eliminated.

[Samm]

@zantax

@dantes

So how do you propose we get China to stop polluting?

Pulling back on our own over-regulation that drives our factories into countries with little to no pollution regulation would be a start.

Cutting the Corporate tax rate was a start.

[dantes]

Trump is eliminating environmental rules?

Obviously he is. Who do you think you are fooling?

[Samm]

@dantes

Trump is eliminating environmental rules?

Obviously he is. Who do you think you are fooling?

Not really. Rescinding regulations imposed in the last days of the Obama Administration is a far cry from eliminating environmental rules. 40 plus years of environmental regulations that have served us well are still in effect.

[Samm]

@dantes

Oh lord. You never stop with the condescension, do you?

Look in the mirror.