CIA ‘too white’ to spot 9/11 clues? No Diversity

57Nomad · 2019-09-12T18:44:53.871Z

Paul_Thomson:

adroit:

They follow Allah, not Mohammed.

No. They don’t “follow” Allah. They obey Allah. Allah is invisible, remote and altogether other to them.

Why are you obsessed with my use of the word Mohammedan?

Isn’t that splitting hairs. It’s really the same thing.

Axxowiz · 2019-09-12T19:24:10.292Z

Tommy got me interested in a topic I had researched awhile back taking about Badayev and the Chechen war which is an area I’ve studied a bit. These people historically practiced Sufism which traditionally are not so big into hardline Sunni practices.

After the Chechen war broke out in the early 90’s a lot of Wahhabi practicers came to fight jihad in Chechnya including Khabbab and Badayev who both wanted Sharia law and eventually got it after the first Chechen war. They were driven out and killed after the second Chechen war when they tried to get neighboring Dagestan to join their cause and invaded them which they were quickly repelled and Russia had the excuse they needed to launch the second Chechen war. This is basically what put Putin on the map.

Almost all of the Muslims that went to fight with ISIS from Chechnya were backers of Wahhabism and Salafism. Most regular muslims don’t bother me so much but that particular strain is pretty scary. I am not sure of there numbers, but it’s runs through many counties including Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and Afghanistan to name a few. If one is a member of Al-Qaeda, ISIS, Al-Shabaab, or Boko Haram that’s the type of Islam they practice.

I highly suggest a book for anyone interested in the Chechen wars written by a Russian conscript soldier who fought in both the first and second Chechen war called “One Soldiers War”. Some of the most brutal reading I have read on what humans are capable of doing to each other as well as the utter disorganization and inefficiency of the Russian army at that time. Highly recommended.

I know less about the shiites, I know some of the differences between them and Sunni worshippers but not what makes the violent groups like Hezbollah and many in Iran tick.

It’s and interesting topic, from what I have read some fear Indonesia is the country to watch on rising salifism.

TommyLucchese · 2019-09-12T19:45:13.547Z

57Nomad:

Sometimes, and sometimes it becomes a lot of jibber jabber to confuse the point.

You mean, it dissected some of the major points your article made in a way you didn’t like.

TommyLucchese · 2019-09-12T19:46:08.028Z

Paul_Thomson:

I’ve read the Qur’an. I’m right.

You clearly have not if you aren’t aware of how often Jesus is quoted in it. This is like a well known fact and easily confirmable.

57Nomad · 2019-09-12T19:52:50.851Z

WuWei:

57Nomad:

WuWei:

Race has nothing to do with it. You can put a black man with those same characteristics in the same position and you will get the same result.

This is often stated with either no proof or small antidotal evidence at best.

Do you read the article? The problem is obviously groupthink. That has nothing to do with race. Who told your generation every problem is race?

Of course it was groupthink, but it was groupthink with a goal of keeping the group exclusive white, male, Anglo-Saxon, Protestants, Ivy League. It seems it had a lot to do with race. Race imparts culture and that’s key part of what the article was talking about. It’s also the thing you cant get by just sending some white, male, Anglo-Saxon, Protestants to the Defense Language Institute to turn out a bunch of ‘‘Arab’’ speakers.

‘‘Who told your generation every problem is race?’’

straw man
/ˌstrô ˈman/
noun

noun: straw man; plural noun: straw men; noun: strawman; plural noun: strawmen
1.
an intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent’s real argument.
“her familiar procedure of creating a straw man by exaggerating their approach”

Is it your generations opinion race was a minor inconvenience that was dealt with back in the 60’s and at that point, stopped being a problem?

Your statement is the equivalent to the classic:
‘‘When did you stop beating your wife’’

SixFoot · 2019-09-12T20:30:54.566Z

This thread is a flailing fail. I was hoping to see you as the teacher this time, but your classroom has ADHD. lol

I’d be interested to know what you’ve learned about the Bactrian descendants and how they differ from your average Persian in the region.

WuWei · 2019-09-12T20:55:13.940Z

57Nomad:

It seems it had a lot to do with race. Race imparts culture

Good luck @TommyLucchese

I refuse to dumb down anymore.

57Nomad · 2019-09-12T21:02:19.463Z

SixFoot:

This thread is a flailing fail. I was hoping to see you as the teacher this time, but your classroom has ADHD. lol

WuWei:

I refuse to dumb down anymore

That makes 2 of you throwing in the towel.

Yeah, it’s hard when you’re forced out of your comfort zone.

SixFoot · 2019-09-12T22:10:15.391Z

57Nomad:

That makes 2 of you throwing in the towel.

Everyone threw in the towel. You are incapable of learning from this thread.

TommyLucchese · 2019-09-12T22:52:33.325Z

I don’t know a ton, I’m just fascinated by how big pieces of Iran were just taken when they were in decline even though the culture remains Persia.

I mean Stalin just straight up stole northern Iran and made it a new country.

WildRose · 2019-09-12T23:00:23.282Z

merriam-webster.com

Definition of MOHAMMEDAN

of or relating to Muhammad or Islam… See the full definition

Because it’s a perfectly accurate term.

SixFoot · 2019-09-12T23:05:28.981Z

Sweet, use this as a starting reference. It summarizes the history of Afghanistan, going down the list of its various conquerors and evolution. A lot still remains in the culture today. Some of Alexander’s fortresses are preserved (although partially uncovered due to the conflict) like Gobekli Tepe was.

TommyLucchese · 2019-09-12T23:41:20.000Z

WildRose:

Because it’s a perfectly accurate term.

Do you know why you’re not allowed to use the dictionary as a source in academic papers?

WildRose · 2019-09-13T00:04:05.240Z

Do you not understand that it’s a perfectly accurate term?

Since when are dictionaries no longer definitive sources?

57Nomad · 2019-09-13T00:20:51.619Z

SixFoot:

57Nomad:

That makes 2 of you throwing in the towel.

Everyone threw in the towel. You are incapable of learning from this thread.

You’re the ones that failed learning aptitude capacity. But I get it, you guys have this narrow focus and that’s everything to you.

How come Tommy hasn’t his ‘‘C’’ insignia yet? Isn’t he one of the ‘‘boys’’ yet?

TommyLucchese · 2019-09-13T01:48:21.794Z

57Nomad:

How come Tommy hasn’t his ‘‘C’’ insignia yet? Isn’t he one of the ‘‘boys’’ yet?

You have wildly misread this situation. We’re trying to engage with you here. Welcome to the weirdest political forum on the internet, pal, where most of the veteran posters have been here for a decade plus and we all have our own areas of expertise that we acknowledge even if we fight tooth and nail about everything else.

Paul_Thomson · 2019-09-13T01:48:56.433Z

TommyLucchese:

You clearly have not if you aren’t aware of how often Jesus is quoted in it. This is like a well known fact and easily confirmable.

You may be confusing “quoted” with “mentioned”.

TommyLucchese · 2019-09-13T01:56:12.095Z

57Nomad:

You’re the ones that failed learning aptitude capacity. But I get it, you guys have this narrow focus and that’s everything to you.

Lemme try to help you even more. There are sources of information here that will blow your mind. The Great Recession? Jezcoe. Asymmetric warfare? Sneaky. Boots on the ground in Iraq and A-Stan? SixFoot and Army Cowboy among others. Tech stuff and healthcare? Adroit. MargaretMS is our resident academic. We have a French airplane pilot. We have a pack of Brits from a variety of backgrounds. Up until not so long ago, we had an ex child soldier who was in a Phalangist militia in the Lebanese civil war.

Me? I’m the guy for cops and crooks stuff and radical Islam, I guess. But if you listen to some of these people, you can learn a lot.

Zander · 2019-09-13T02:10:10.878Z

TommyLucchese:

I don’t know a ton, I’m just fascinated by how big pieces of Iran were just taken when they were in decline even though the culture remains Persia.

I mean Stalin just straight up stole northern Iran and made it a new country.

Damnit, now Stalin got a name drop and I got to get on this.

Stalin spent some formative years in Baku, organizing workers strikes, doing his best Marxist stuff. He realized then how precious this part of the world was, and decided he would have it. Of course, he later to got it, because he was Stalin.

Paul_Thomson · 2019-09-13T02:20:12.593Z

BTW according to the Qur’an I am a muslim. Sura 5:111.

According to the Qur’an followers of Jesus and the message he brought are muslims. And followers of Mohammed and the message he brought are muslims. Both are acceptable paths, according to the Qur’an. So, not all muslims are Mohammedans according to the Qur’an. Muslim means “one who is submitted [to God].”

The lying pens of islamicist scribes corrupt the Qur’an to give the impression that only Mohammedans are muslims.

I happen to be a Christian muslim.