was I directly responding to you…I was just simply posting findings. Like this from the New England Journal of Medicine.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2012410
Hydroxychlorquine doesn’t work either.
once again, there you go, overstating what the study itself found. the study found no statistically significant difference.
i can cherry pick too! its meaningless, the numbers are not statistically significant.
^^^ those could be^^^
needs study
Perhaps I misunderstood but it looks like you were saying thousands of medical professionals agreed with Trump’s touting of HCQ.
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Olmehk
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From what I have seen HCQ and Zinc are extremely effective in the early stages of the virus.
It’s sad that this issue has become so politicized that real treatments are being ignored by the media AND the medical field.
There are studies out of France and China that show it is quite effective
Clinical guidance at our medical center has been updated to remove the suggestion that patients with Covid-19 be treated with hydroxychloroquine. In our analysis involving a large sample of consecutive patients who had been hospitalized with Covid-19, hydroxychloroquine use was not associated with a significantly higher or lower risk of intubation or death (hazard ratio, 1.04; 95% CI, 0.82 to 1.32). The study results should not be taken to rule out either benefit or harm of hydroxychloroquine treatment, given the observational design and the 95% confidence interval, but the results do not support the use of hydroxychloroquine at present, outside randomized clinical trials testing its efficacy.
In essence NEJM, says that the results don’t say anything and does not recommend use at present except in further clincial trials testing it’s efficacy. huge vote of confidence there for Hydroxychloroquine…
I had some clients that I care for…who were sick with COVID back in April. ER gave them both Zinc, Vitamin C, a Z pack, and a corticol steroid inhaler. They were sick for 5 days, tested negative in 10 and 12 days respectively. Full recovery…
They say Zinc is great for the common cold…and this is the same virus family that causes the common cold. It could be the Zinc that does more to help. We will not know until they start to study the efficacy of zinc alone.
JayJay
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I take zinc all the time and haven’t had a cold in the five years I started taking it.
But I wouldn’t tout it as a proven therapy as in general I never suffered much from respiratory viruses.
But now I don’t suffer at all (except for Fenruary when I may or may not have had COVID…
)
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Olmehk
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Wow. That’s amazing.
From what I understand it is the zinc that does the work. The HCQ opens up the doorway to the cell to allow the zinc to enter. It is the zinc that prevents the virus from replicating.
Who is conducting the study? I know the Gates Foundatiin is supposed to conduct one that concludes in September. I hope they don’t sabotage the study.
No study that I know of…I was saying they should study it…guessing overstated my point.
they agreed with using it,
JayJay
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The issue as we have said is this.
In general, most people recover from the virus on their own.
Since that is the case, it becomes difficult to assess if one recovered on their own or if one recovered because they took a medicine.
That’s what these larger clinical studies were for.
They were run BECAUSE of doctors’ early observations…but the more and more they were run, the more they lent credence to the idea that the doctors’ initial observations that the medicines were helping were actually random chance.
This may sound weird…but especially when dealing with the doctors’ small sample sizes…it can be true.
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and where exactly did you see me suggest otherwise? the only thing i have done in this discussion is point out the overstating that was being done by others. there are several more avenues which should be studied. hcq in combination with zinc and zpac. though i would not make that a priority over other research opportunities, and hcq as a prophylactic against contracting covid in the first place, which is ongoing and should be a priority.
Not that this will change anyone’s minds…
Hydroxychloroquine alone does not lead to improved outcomes in hospitalized COVID-19 patients, and the combination of hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin actually leads to increased mortality.
In conclusion, this meta-analysis clearly shows that hydroxychloroquine alone is not effective for the treatment of COVID-19 patients and that the combination of hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin increases the risk of mortality. These data support current clinical recommendations such as those of the NIH which do not recommend the use of HCQ alone or in combination with azithromycin for COVID-19 patients. There is already a great number of studies that have evaluated HCQ alone or in combination and it seems unlikely at this stage that any efficacy will ever emerge. Our results suggest that there is no need for further studies evaluating these molecules, and the European DisCoveRy clinical trial or the WHO international Solidarity clinical trial have already discontinued treatment arms using hydroxychloroquine.
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Called it back in April. Snake oil dressed up as a Magic Pill. Never had a chance of working, and how much effort was expended on this snipe hunt?
Come on, a French quack who convinced Laura Ingraham that it works, and then Laura Ingraham because she is on the TV and has instant credibility with Trump convinces Trump that it works.
Trump is in a bind because he has no idea what to do and it’s the Magic Pill that makes all his incompetence go away.
Predictable. In fact, I did. Just based solely on the players involved.
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Jezcoe
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I was told I would be eating a lot of crow by now.
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Anyone with two halfway working Brain cells could call it.
Anti inflammatory meets virus.
Score virus 1 AI 0
Allan
JayJay
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Amazing how all the CEC stars that plugged it are silent now.
On to the next scam.
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