IBC
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Yeah, I know. I already took my lumps. I simply didn’t read closely enough. Mea culpa 
This advice is important. So many jump on the first source that they find on the Internet that agreed with them. On another thread a poster here linked to “research” not realizing it was from a fake university. Hilarious.
We all are susceptible to confirmation bias so checking sources is a first step.
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Good info, torey.
The topic of hydroxychloroquine seems to have sunk like a rock out of the media.
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JayJay
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I’m telling you what authors of the study reported.
I haven’t found a link to the actual study yet- they were the ones who said the mortality rate difference lacked statistical significane.
JayJay
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How someone who supposedly has multiple degrees in biology doesn’t hear fingernails across the chalkboard in his head when he sees the name “Association of American Physicians and Surgeons” is beyond me.
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JayJay
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There have been many double blind controlled clinical studies on aspirin use in the over one hundred years since it was discovered and our science has advanced by leaps and bounds since then.
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This has got to be one of the funniest matter-of-fact rebuttal posts I’ve ever seen here!
Aspirin isn’t a proven drug? It never underwent double blind controlled, peer review study? So says the resident expert?
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This is something I’ve been trying to point out. These cardiac events associated with Hydroxychloroqine can be fatal. We have known this for decades.
The law of averages says that if you give this to enough people, some will die that otherwise would not have.
Put an extra 29 million pills on the market and the real question becomes, how many will die.
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WuWei
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Still no cure for a respiratory virus?
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I wonder who lost the most money running out to capitalize on The Donald’s ignorant flapping gums? 
Hannity is still having Oz on his radio show, but even those 2 have dropped this topic like a rotten potato.
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I know your post is a bit old at this point. But considering the studies and numerous doctors that have come out and said it is inconclusive or we shouldn’t use it, do you still feel your criticism above is valid?
Are the doctors also the enemy of the people?
Can you dispute their findings?
This just comes off as more, “can’t refute the facts so attack the source”.
I find it disturbing that so many of you just flat don’t want to see HCQ working and automatically rebuff any evidence to show that it is.
With your recent declaration that Iodine isn’t a disinfectant either your credibility on this subject is a negative number now.
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You can’t run a double blind trail involving a disease like this without patients dying unnecessarily because half of them will be denied the drug.
That is the nature of double blind studies.
You should know this.
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It’s one of the safest most proven drugs on the planet.
Physicians know all the possible negative side effects and which patients are at elevated risk of same so they can be monitored closely and easily.
This is not a credible argument or criticism.
Doc’s are not witch doctors and they aren’t stupid. The are all qualified to determine which patients should be treated without governors playing god deciding how, when, where, and under what circumstances they should be “allowed” to prescribe it for purely partisan reasons.
Everything we see tells us early intervention is key particularly because of the potential organ damage from the virus itself and the bulk of the evidence suggests this drug alone or in combination is showing great promise in those early interventions.
It is immoral to deny physicians the best tools at their disposal when treating patients in a deadly pandemic.
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Aspirin never had to go through the approval process, it was grandfathered, two completely separate things and you should know that.
To do so today would be cost prohibitive since it can’t be patented.
No double blind studies were done to bring it to market, they have all be done since.
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JayJay
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We have done it today. That was the point.
No one seemed to worry about the expense.
And the first clinical trial of aspirin was in 1876…not randomized double blinded, but single blinded. Done right, that can yield good information. And did.
Finally there’s the other path aspirin could have taken. It could have taken the path that meds like Zicam took,…and been sold otc but without being able to make a definitive claim that it does what it promises.
Zicam sales seem to go very well.
No, that isn’t the point.\
The point is that it could never be brought to market today because of the expense involved in the approval process.
Zicam came to market as a zinc supplement, not as an FDA approved drug didn’t it?
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When doctors perform a study for hydroxychloroquine, like they did over at the VA, then they sure as hell don’t help to improve their image. They tested the drug on patients already at death’s door, and tried to pass it off as some kind of proof hydroxychloroquine doesn’t work.
I understand your point. Haven’t there been more than one study at this point?
