Misrepresenting the extent of the epidemic may be just the start:
Coronavirus Origins: Genome Analysis Suggests Two Viruses May Have Combined
Coronavirus Origins: Genome Analysis Suggests Two Viruses May Have Combined
Misrepresenting the extent of the epidemic may be just the start:
There is significant scientific evidence that the virus was not “created in a lab”.
we can trust U.S intelligence again?
Don’t believe it did either…but there is plenty of evidence that it didn’t start in Dec…or even Nov for that matter.
Also it seems China is closing down cities as we speak. Why?
I have no doubt that China has been lying to the whole world from the get-go.
No. The scientific evidence is that the Covid-19 coronavirus is probably a chimera of two naturally occurring viruses. Chimeras are rare combinations of two viruses that can result when two different viruses infect the same cell, or they can occur as a result of genetic engineering.
Coronavirus Origins: Genome Analysis Suggests Two Viruses May Have Combined
Even if the chimera was a “natural” result of infection in an animal, that does not preclude the possibility that the infected animal was in a lab. For background see:
The new paper simply restates the same information that was reported earlier from researchers in China. See links in posting 19. The earliest paper (which appears in a link in post 59) noted that the features that allow the virus to infect humans is similar to that of HIV and concluded that it was evidence of genetic engineering to insert the genetic material from HIV. The authors of that paper very quickly asked to have it withdrawn, and speculation is that they may have done so under pressu…
Senator Cruz is saying that a lab origin is plausible:
Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas on Wednesday raised the prospect that the coronavirus pandemic might have originated from a lab in China with the virus being let loose accidentally.
And we should trust his medical expertise because…
No. The scientific evidence is that the Covid-19 coronavirus is probably a chimera of two naturally occurring viruses. Chimeras are rare combinations of two viruses that can result when two different viruses infect the same cell, or they can occur as a result of genetic engineering.
Coronavirus Origins: Genome Analysis Suggests Two Viruses May Have Combined | IFLScience
Even if the chimera was a “natural” result of infection in an animal, that does not preclude the possibility that the infected animal was in a lab. For background see:
Growing evidence that Wuhan coronavirus orginated in a lab - #65 by Bill.in.PA
Once again this is false.
There are no sequences in SARS-COV2 similar to HIV.
And chimeras can arise in nature…one of the reasons SARS-like viruses were being studied in the mid-2010s.
Studied in a lab?
Studied in a lab?
Yes they were.
Basically the logic of the arguments in the article is that the virus cannot possibly be of lab origin because the genetics shows evidence of natural selection and the virus does not match the authors’ ideas about a bioweapon.
It totally ignores the multiple examples of published research in Wuhan labs that included producing chimeras with gain-of-function features starting with naturally occurring bat coronaviruses. Research may not just be for bioweapons; it may be to develop defensive capability against bioweapons or simply to understand the biology of the viruses. The paper also ignores the long history of accidental release of dangerous viruses from labs, especially in China.
Neither you nor I have the knowledge and understanding to be in a position to “judge” anything involved with this. Let’s not pretend otherwise.
Now, the question becomes - how do you objectively measure the validity of sources? Who do we believe, and why do we believe them?
For me, I go with consensus of experts over a desire to believe something because it fits into my worldview.
There was no evidence provided in the article for the confidently stated claim in the title.
I think you need to pay more attention to the posts I was replying to.
I’m not talking about the OP.
Neither am I. I was talking about the LiveScience article title.
The title?
Did you actually read the article, or just the headline?
The title?
Did you actually read the article, or just the headline?
I read the whole thing looking for their evidence.
Well, all of their “evidence” is in the article.
What "evidence’ to the contrary have you found?
Unless we have solid evidence I’m not going to promote this theory.
Here is a point-by-point refutation of the Nature article:
An accessible YouTube summary of much of the report below below by a Professor of Neurobiology at the University of Pittsburgh’s Medical School is available here. Read the peer reviewed research paper published by BioEssays that this paper...
Est. reading time: 12 minutes
Here is an excerpt that explains a possible origin of the apparent disinformation campaign:
. . . it seems pretty clear that their recent article, “The proximal origin of SARS-CoV-2” is just one more example of their influence. China bought off the head of Harvard’s chemistry department, you don’t think they could buy off run-of-the-mill research scientists scrambling for tenure and funding and publication? It’s absolutely horrific that so many scientists and researchers are taking part in what’s really clearly a disinformation campaign orchestrated by the Chinese Communist Party, and willfully spreading a smokescreen about something that’s already killed thousands and is projected to kill millions more across the planet.
Here is a point-by-point refutation of the Nature article:
What makes you think their “refutations” are correct?
Why do you believe an anonymous blog?