komobu
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I thought that was a given. I should have stated it in my post.
WuWei
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No. He passed out in the drive thru with the engine running. Twice.
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WuWei
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Could it be that lack of faith in the judiciary is a contributing factor to the struggle to resist arrest?
komobu
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Not this caseā¦I was responding to @Oldandtired
komobu
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Then let him sleep in his car. The govt should not be in a position that they can tell people they cant sleep in their own carā¦Especially on private property.
WuWei
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The property owner called them. Thereās no way they can let him sleep it off in the car after they are called and made aware. He would still have the car and the keys. Impaired people are a danger to themselves or others. Somebody has to be responsible for them until they arenāt impaired anymore.
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Iām wondering what happens if many of these things are implemented and crime goes up, murder rates go up, abuse to police / policing force what then?
komobu
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Please follow the replies in the thread. It was not about Rashard Brooks. @oldandtired responded to me that if the police see a guy in the parking lot of a bar sleeping in his car he should be charged DUI because he may drive 10 minutes later. I say if a guy is sleeping in his car in the barās parking lot and not bothering anyone, it is no ones business other than the bar owner and the car owner.
Further, even if it was about the Rashard Brooks incident. My position would be pretty much the same. They saw him sleeping in a car on private property. Even if they saw him driving on private property, they shouldnt have the jurisdiction to charge him. They caught him on private property and not a public roadway. If Wendys wants the car off their property, they can call a tow truck and get it towed at owner expense. If Brooks had drove off wendys parking lot and entered public roadways, then they could charge him for DUI. The police officers only jurisdiction in this case (to me) is to get him off wendys property. If he wants to walk home, so be it. If he leaves his car right where it is in the center of their Drive through, it is still just a civil issue. They can call a tow truck and get it towed at owner expense, and sue him for any loss of revenue.
Had it been handled this way, 4 kids would still have their dad. Further, a guy would teach his kids that not all police officers are *****. The police have to come up with responses that de-escalate instead of inflaming what ever situation they happen to embark on.
WuWei
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Thatās not the way it does or can work.
If the property owner calls, the police remove. Was Wendyās going to tow the car with him in it? Who was going to get him out, the Wendyās manager?
And you canāt turn a drunk loose in public, heāll hurt himself or somebody else.
If Brooks hadnāt gotten drunk and tried to drive, four kids would still have their father.
And it doesnāt matter if it was this case.
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komobu
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But yet we can have the homeless shooting up in public and dropping their needles all over town, and they are free to just lean back and nod out? That is completely fine?
I will never be concerned about a drunk guy walking home.
As it is, the police officer who shot him is being charged with murder and subject to get the death penalty.
Why do we put officers in this position? Make it easier for them to do their jobs and interact with the public.
13BU6
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Suppose he was passed out in his car on your property. Does that change how you feel?
komobu
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Not at all. The police or the owner can require him to leave. If he leaves a vehicle on my property, I call a towing service and get it towed off. He pays them for the tow when he picks it up from them.
13BU6
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I agree and maybe the question isnāt fair but what if he was passed out in that car that is on your property.
Would you wake him up? Would you call the cops?
So the owner asks him leave and he says no. Now heās a little awake but really drunk and proceeds to pass out on your porch, or get into your house and sleep on your nice comfy couch. Or he says okay Heāll leave and proceeds to crash into your house and kills your kid sleeping in her bed. Or the police come ask him to leave and he walks away. Then he decides that he just needs his car and he comes back and gets itā¦, Really?
komobu
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Yes, Iām ok with calling the police. The part I am not OK with is them charging him with Dui when they didnt see him drive on a public road. Rayshard Brooks lived on block from the wendys parking lot they found him drunk in. The Police Officers on scene should have told him āYou cant drive on public roads, but let us move your car out of the drive through lane and put it in a parking spot. You then can walk home, or if you rather, make a call home and get some up here or we have to impound your car.ā
13BU6
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I want, so badly, to agree with you here.
The fact is though we have no idea he would have went home or stayed home. He might have went to abuse his wife and kids again even.
komobu
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First off, are we equating a business with a residence? Even with a stand your ground state, I dont think they have the right to kill a passed out guy on their couch.
But by all means, call the police if you are scared. I work for a towing company. The police have the right to impound a vehicle at property owners request. It doesnt even cost anything to the property owner. They just tell them they do not want it there.
So to answer your question, if I found a guy passed out in his car that he put in my driveway, I would tell him to leave. If he left in his cart, I would let the police know that he just left my property and there might be something wrong with him. If he left my property on foot, I would call the police and have his car impounded off my property.
WuWei
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No he didnāt. You need to watch it again. He was in the wrong city on the wrong road.