Changes to Address the Problems Exposed by George Floyd's Murder

[gooddad409]

@Eagle-Keeper

Did you see this

Video shows brutal assault outside Klein convenience store | abc13.com

Sooner or later these type thugs are going to run into some one they will wish they had stayed far far away from.

[SixFoot]

@biggestal99

Do you want to be monitored at work for an entire tour at work. I don’t.

Oh, Al, I don’t give a ■■■■ what you want.

[WuWei]

@SixFoot

This is a good use of police resources.

I agree.

[JayJay]

Change the metrics by which police are measured to be “doing a good job”.

Rein in police to be what it should be…enforcement of laws as opposed to some nebulous concept of “keeping order”.

Stop “high engagement policing” which instead of enforcing the laws uses stupid laws like “obstructing pedestrian progress” to pull people aside for ■■■■■■■■ reasons.

[WuWei]

@JayJay

Change the metrics by which police are measured to be “doing a good job”.

Rein in police to be what it should be…enforcement of laws as opposed to some nebulous concept of “keeping order”.

Stop “high engagement policing” which instead of enforcing the laws uses stupid laws like “obstructing pedestrian progress” to pull people aside for ■■■■■■■■ reasons.

Good post.

[biggestal99]

@WuWei

No, I didn’t see it. I did see thugs burning horses in a trailer in Tulsa

Here is an article

Tulsa police slammed after video shows handcuffing of 2 black teens for...

Allan

[biggestal99]

Likewise.

Guess your work life is an open book.

Why not just live stream it like you want the police to do.

Allan

[biggestal99]

@biggestal99

Likewise.

Guess your work life is an open book.

Why not just live stream it like you want the police to do.

Allan

Then we shall see how you like.

Allan

[biggestal99]

@biggestal99

Then we shall see how you like.

Allan

Don’t forget to post the stream so all hannity forumites can see it.

Allan

[WuWei]

Nine kinds of wrong. Police abuse. Cop has no business putting his hands on first.

[tnt]

@JayJay

Change the metrics by which police are measured to be “doing a good job”.

Rein in police to be what it should be…enforcement of laws as opposed to some nebulous concept of “keeping order”.

Stop “high engagement policing” which instead of enforcing the laws uses stupid laws like “obstructing pedestrian progress” to pull people aside for ■■■■■■■■ reasons.

And disarm 75% of them. There are thousands of small towns in america where cops don’t need guns. And even in the big cities, all of them don’t need to be armed.

[komobu]

@WuWei

Good post.

Non concur…Change the laws put in place in the first place so that the police officers are not put in an unwinnable position. If police officers are there to enforce laws, only make laws that our communities are willing to enforce. All other other laws that the community is not willing to enforce should be eliminated.

[WuWei]

@komobu

@WuWei

Good post.

Non concur…Change the laws put in place in the first place so that the police officers are not put in an unwinnable position. If police officers are there to enforce laws, only make laws that our communities are willing to enforce. All other other laws that the community is not willing to enforce should be eliminated.

Isn’t that pretty much what he said?

[komobu]

He said

@JayJay

Rein in police to be what it should be…enforcement of laws as opposed to some nebulous concept of “keeping order”.

I am saying the police are already enforcing laws, and that there are too many laws , and the police officers are put in a position to think and they are failing miserably at it.

Think about it this way. If a guy gets drunk at a bar, goes out into his vehicle and goes to sllep, in many localities he can be charged with DUI because he was behind the steering wheel. That DUI law should be changed to where the person can not be charged with DUI unless they observe him driving.

Another incident was Freddie Gray. Remove the law that says a guy can’t sell loose cigarettes or a guy cant be drunk in public. These are the very laws that force police officers to intervene with the public.

Then when someone dies from said interaction the community is outraged. So remove the reason for the interaction with the public in the first place. This way the officers dont have to think. Only have laws for police response that require police involvement.

[WuWei]

@komobu

He said

@JayJay

Rein in police to be what it should be…enforcement of laws as opposed to some nebulous concept of “keeping order”.

I am saying the police are already enforcing laws, and that there are too many laws , and the police officers are put in a position to think and they are failing miserably at it.

Think about it this way. If a guy gets drunk at a bar, goes out into his vehicle and goes to sllep, in many localities he can be charged with DUI because he was behind the steering wheel. That DUI law should be changed to where the person can not be charged with DUI unless they observe him driving.

Another incident was Freddie Gray. Remove the law that says a guy can’t sell loose cigarettes or a guy cant be drunk in public. These are the very laws that force police officers to intervene with the public.

Then when someone dies from said interaction the community is outraged. So remove the reason for the interaction with the public in the first place. This way the officers dont have to think. Only have laws for police response that require police involvement.

Ok. Good post. You’re right about the laws.

[moonshine]

@WuWei

So, changes are beginning to occur. The President issued an EO, mayors are issuing new policies, NYPD is disbanding their plain clothes mob.

The House has a bill. Tim Scott is leading one in the Senate (apparently doesn’t address qualified immunity). A lot of government paper.

Most of what I hear, I like. The idea of sending social workers to 911 calls is of course stupid, it will last until the first one gets stabbed.

But all in all, I think the tide has finally turned a bit. It will be interesting to watch play out. The unions are very interesting.

Having said that and for this to work, there’s going to have to be some changes on the other side as well. The crime statistics demand it if real change is going to stick.

The 6% of the population convicted of 60% of the murders is going to have to do better. If we’re going to have community policing, the community is going to have to participate.

If we want less policing, we have to assume more responsibility.

To the police officers of America I say, the old ways are no longer acceptable. Tone it down and respect us as citizens - equal to the respect you demand from us. Follow the Constitution. Everything you do is being filmed and you don’t have control of it.

To the police managers of America: you have to change your expectations. We…the People, don’t want drunks like Rayshard Brooks shot for being drunk. We want him put in an uber, his car impounded and his penalty limited to the cost of the tow and impound. At least for the first offense. We don’t want citizens killed for a $20 bill or selling cigarettes or shooting a bb gun. We damn sure don’t want 12 year-old kids shot on playgrounds for playing with toys.

It is time to shift from the authoritarian high modernism. You can’t control us and now we know it. Wind your collective necks in.

Men of America, it’s time to stop being absent. Step up and do your part. Raise your children and fulfill your responsibilities.

Women of America, no you can’t.

There is still a lot of work to be done. The problem will not be resolved with paper or by pols. It comes down to execution at the point of contact.

Hopefully the judiciary will take the “hint”.

Since the problem isn’t racism, I appreciate the efforts of those who peaceably assembled to protest authoritarianism on my behalf.

The looters and rioters can go ■■■■ themselves

drones wouldnt be all that effective in urban areas for a lot of reasons.

1. drone cameras are wide angle. very hard to discern small details
2. unless your in a fairly open area launching the drone can be problematic. overhanging trees for example.
3. in urban areas, especially urban areas drones can have a lot of interference with their GPS navigation, making them rely on optical sensors which only work in the daytime

[bigtwnvin]

My post retirement gig is driving a school bus. It’s ridiculous, I lay on the horn, they go past and give me the finger.

[WuWei]

I’ll defer. I didn’t say anything about drones.

[moonshine]

i meant to reply to eclipze post

[moonshine]

@Eclipze

It’d be nice to have a drone per cruiser that is remote controlled by dispatch/drone duty and is activated once a unit responds. No facial recognition or AI, just remotely controlled to provide another POV of all engagements.

drones wouldnt be all that effective in urban areas for a lot of reasons.

1. drone cameras are wide angle. very hard to discern small details
2. unless your in a fairly open area launching the drone can be problematic. overhanging trees for example.
3. in urban areas, especially urban areas drones can have a lot of interference with their GPS navigation, making them rely on optical sensors which only work in the daytime