Are you kidding? They’ll cheer him if he does.

Constitution does not prohibit counting citizens.
Nor does the Constitution says have to ask about income, education, occupation, number of t.v. or cars one own, etc. on the census.

And? What’s your point?

I specifically mentioned the constitution says count the population. Asking about citizenship isnt a qualifier for counting population, neither are any of the other things. The fact they might be on their is irrelevant to the purpose of the census as it pertains to the constitution.

Circumstances change.

Allan

These corrupt bastards just can’t quit it.

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1149064005711007744?s=21

It definitely prohibits only counting citizens.

Executive Order will be issued by Trump today attempting to override SCOTUS and the courts.

Cannot be an imperial presidency. must be challenged in court.

Allan

That’s my assumption.

Aren’t they already printing the census? What would an executive order do?

Trump wants an addendum to the census form that is being printed.

of course SCOTUS wants a good reason. Wonder what lie the DOJ will come with?

it better be good.

Allan

■■■■ the constitution.

I hear on the morning news Trump has a Rose Garden announcement about the census issue. Could be another EO in our future.

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Oh Boy! Are “conservatives” are going to be pissed about the president just ignoring other branches of government with an EO like the last president?

We’ll have to see what it says, I guess.

But the Supreme Court already literally said “no”. It’s not like this something yet to be litigated.

You mean Justice Roberts exercising a legislative function? If so, I agree!

JWK

"The public welfare demands that constitutional cases must be decided according to the terms of the Constitution itself, and not according to judges’ views of fairness, reasonableness, or justice." – Justice Hugo L. Black (U.S. Supreme Court Justice, 1886 - 1971) Source: Lecture, Columbia University, 1968

:roll_eyes:

From the ruling by the SCOTUS:

  1. The Secretary’s decision is reviewable under the Administrative Procedure Act.

Congress (the legislature) passed a law to give the court oversight. They can always repeal the act they passed and remove that oversight.

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Congress is not authorized to delegate its constitutionally authorized functions, which is debating and deciding the reasonableness, justice and fairness of legislation and policy, while the court’s job is limited to determining if such legislation and policy making decisions violate the terms of our Constitution.

The proper remedy, for those who disagree with placing the question on the ballot, was to have Congress, our elected representatives, visit the issue. Placing the question on the census form, we all agree, does not violate the Constitution. And Roberts ought to have explained this to those who disagree with putting the question on the census form. Instead, he exercised an exclusive function assigned to our elected representatives. In so doing he undermined our Constitutionally limited “Republican Form of Government” which is guaranteed by our Constitution and has assigned policy making decisions and legislation to our elected representatives.

And with regard to this very question, our judiciary exercising a legislative function and second guessing policy making decisions, Justice Hugo L. Black emphatically pointed out: "The public welfare demands that constitutional cases must be decided according to the terms of the Constitution itself, and not according to judges’ views of fairness, reasonableness, or justice."

And in U.S. v. Butler, 297 U.S. 1, 78-79 (1936) the court eloquently put it this way: ”The power of courts to declare a statute unconstitutional is subject to two guiding principles of decision which ought never to be absent from judicial consciousness. One is that courts are concerned only with the power to enact statutes, not with their wisdom. The other is that while unconstitutional exercise of power by the executive and legislative branches of the government is subject to judicial restraint, the only check upon our own exercise of power is our own sense of self-restraint. For the removal of unwise laws from the statute books appeal lies, not to the courts, but to the ballot and to the processes of democratic government.”

And more recently, the court in Hillis v. Department of Ecology, 131 Wash. 2d 373, 932 P.2d 139 (1997) pointed out:

”Just because we [the courts] do not think the legislators have acted wisely or responsibly does not give us the right to assume their duties or to substitute our judgment for theirs.”

JWK

Our Supreme Court has usurped power and set itself up as an unelected, omnipotent and unreviewable, policy making branch of government not authorized by our written Constitution.

The Federal Reserve System is over 100 years old. The ability to coin money is given to Congress and they delegated that to a central bank. This is not the only time that has been done through the legislature.

But I digress, if Roberts over extended the court’s reach on the decision, then it is up to the legislature to rein them in. It is not up to the executive branch to ignore the decision like kings. There are checks and balances in our government.

what SCOTUS says goes. No matter what anyone says.

all these whiners.

Allan

Not really. The legislature can pass laws that change the rules. The court is just reviewing and interpreting the rules when disagreements between parties arise in the way the rules are understood.

It can always be changed. No single person has the final say on the rules.