CBO releases Build Back Better score without sunset gimmicks, Cost Estimate is $4.9 Trillion

Guilds · 2021-12-11T17:50:38.929Z

WuWei:

Eisenhower’s enrichment of the MIC

Is this inaccurate?

President Eisenhower cut the defense budget by 27 percent during his time in office, but he also doubled funding for research, development, testing, and evaluation so that the United States could maintain its technological edge over the Soviets. It was the Eisenhower military that convinced the USSR to back down in the Cuban Missile Crisis.

Center for American Progress

A Historical Perspective on Defense Budgets

Lawrence J. Korb, Laura Conley, and Alex Rothman look back on how previous presidents brought defense spending into balance.

WuWei · 2021-12-11T17:53:38.664Z

DisturbedGuy:

WuWei:

FloridaYankee:

WuWei:

FloridaYankee:

Who does?

The Taliban

Stop.

When you beat the champ, you are the champ.

The muj beat the Russians. The Taliban beat us.

They are the champs.

Disagree. We win the war…we failed at nation building.

Should I defer to your expertise?

e7alr · 2021-12-11T18:04:46.906Z

Who’s infantry are currently boots on the ground on the objective, ours, our ally’s or theirs?

Striker840 · 2021-12-11T18:09:33.039Z

DisturbedGuy:

WuWei:

FloridaYankee:

WuWei:

FloridaYankee:

Who does?

The Taliban

Stop.

When you beat the champ, you are the champ.

The muj beat the Russians. The Taliban beat us.

They are the champs.

Disagree. We won the war…we failed at nation building.

Wha…huh???

Who left with their tails tucked between their legs while the enemy was providing “security” while our troops were evacuated??

You sure have a strange idea of winning.

e7alr · 2021-12-11T18:14:15.549Z

Apparently a lack of understanding of war. War is politics by other means and the purpose of war is to achieve your political objective. The side that achieves it’s political objective is the side that wins the war.

WuWei · 2021-12-11T18:23:24.870Z

Striker840:

Guilds:

WuWei:

Read it. Don’t hide from it.

I am in your twisted world here. I see it, read it, and try to understand it.

But too many times, facts do not line up with a lot of the beliefs in your reality.

The arrogance gets in the way, especially when you think you know more about people here, than they know themselves.

Ohhhh the irony in the last part is ummmmm, glaring.

Immunity to cognitive dissonance.

Eagle-Keeper · 2021-12-11T18:27:34.338Z

Eagle-Keeper:

FreeAndClear:

Eagle-Keeper:

What will be the additional costs of it when including about 3-4 million of the world’s impoverished citizens into the US each year, all of whom would get all this additional free stuff as well?
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What was it in 2019?

It largely depends on the number of children. The cost to educate an ESL child in NJ is about $30,000/year. Healthcare costs around $10,000. Housing about $15,000. Meals about $5,000. So that’s about $60,000/year for a child.

Right and the number of impoverished illegals?

Here are some applicable stats for LA:

*Public-school students from immigrant-headed households comprise 58 percent of public-school students in Los Angeles County (Table 2).
*Of all students in the county, 22 percent are from illegal-headed households and 36 percent are from legal immigrant households (Table 2).
*The poverty rate for students from both legal and illegal immigrant households is more than 50 percent higher than that of those from native-headed households (Table 1).
*Of students in poverty, 70 percent are from immigrant households — 28 percent from illegal households and 42 percent from legal households (Table 2).
*Of students who speak a language other than English at home, 82 percent are from immigrant households — 35 percent from illegal households and 47 percent from legal households (Table 2).
*47 percent of illegal-immigrant-headed households are headed by a person who did not graduate high school; the figure is 30 percent for legal-immigrant-headed households. This compares to 7 percent of native-headed households (Table 3).
*The average income of illegal-immigrant-headed households is only 58 percent that of native-headed households; for legal-immigrant-headed households it is 79 percent of native-headed households (Table 4).
*Illegal-immigrant-headed households have three times as many students in public school on average as native-headed households; for legal-immigrant-headed households it is 50 percent higher. (Table 4).

CIS.org

Immigration Is the Elephant in the Room in L.A. School Strike

Immigration has reduced the proportion of students whose families pay sufficient taxes to cover education costs, creating the ongoing strains on the district budget.

Maybe Biden and Mayorkas could attain these numbers for every county in America.

DisturbedGuy · 2021-12-11T18:33:36.692Z

WuWei:

DisturbedGuy:

WuWei:

FloridaYankee:

WuWei:

FloridaYankee:

Who does?

The Taliban

Stop.

When you beat the champ, you are the champ.

The muj beat the Russians. The Taliban beat us.

They are the champs.

Disagree. We win the war…we failed at nation building.

Should I defer to your expertise?

Not claiming any expertise. The country was always going to be where it ended up. The initial war was to destroy the people that attacked our country. That is why I say we won.

WuWei · 2021-12-11T18:57:18.478Z

DisturbedGuy:

Not claiming any expertise. The country was always going to be where it ended up. The initial war was to destroy the people that attacked our country. That is why I say we won.

Can’t destroy a tactic, remember? The Taliban didn’t attack your country. AQ left A-stan in 2003.

TheRedComet · 2021-12-11T18:59:43.123Z

Guilds:

WuWei:

You need to source your quotes.

He certainly did his part, the hypocrite.

Edited, but I thought it was pretty obvious who it was.

What is the hypocrisy?

The US military went on a nuclear spending spree in the mid to late 50s during Ike’s presidency.

He was hoping that nuclear assets would be cheaper than conventional assets.

Turns out that the costs are pretty equal all things considered. And a military built around only nuclear assets leave you in a less flexible position during crisis moments.

Conventional forces are more flexible.

WuWei · 2021-12-11T19:06:08.520Z

Started Vietnam
Put LeMay in as Vice CoS, paving the way for him to become CoS Air Force…

TheRedComet · 2021-12-11T19:09:05.697Z

And then Lemay proceeded to make SAC the central focus of the Air Force and pumped a ridiculous amount of money into nuclear assets for SIOP plans that had anyone actually read, would have been appalled at the waste.

Hell there was some no name bridge in the southern USSR that was going to have four warheads dropped on it. “We have to be 100% sure.”

I would hope one 170kt warhead would do it’s job against a bridge.

DougBH · 2021-12-11T19:45:41.111Z

All of which demonstrates that while immigration may increase GDP, it reduces GDP per capita, which is to say lifestyle where it counts. And there might be some case that it doesn’t reduce the lifestyle of those already native to here, the same people who want open borders also want equity of results, which means redistribution. And that is “build back better”.

conan · 2021-12-11T20:02:08.541Z

Yes libs like authoritarian government

Liberty323 · 2021-12-11T20:40:02.727Z

I don’t want to ignore any threats, but you don’t think any of our defense spending is wasteful and could be trimmed, along with all other entitlement spending?

gooddad409 · 2021-12-11T22:13:36.850Z

Striker840:

Guilds:

WuWei:

Read it. Don’t hide from it.

I am in your twisted world here. I see it, read it, and try to understand it.

But too many times, facts do not line up with a lot of the beliefs in your reality.

The arrogance gets in the way, especially when you think you know more about people here, than they know themselves.

Ohhhh the irony in the last part is ummmmm, glaring.

There’s a lot of irony in that whole post actually.

Eagle-Keeper · 2021-12-11T22:24:12.236Z

DougBH:

All of which demonstrates that while immigration may increase GDP, it reduces GDP per capita, which is to say lifestyle where it counts. And there might be some case that it doesn’t reduce the lifestyle of those already native to here, the same people who want open borders also want equity of results, which means redistribution. And that is “build back better”.

To take these numbers further, supporting 1 million impoverished children even at just $50,000/year would cost US taxpayers 50 billion dollars. Then assuming a 20 year time frame would bring the cost to 1 trillion dollars. Clearly the open borders crowd would want this to go on for as long as possible. So then imagine doing this over a 10 year period, which would bring the cost to 10 trillion dollars.

Guilds · 2021-12-11T22:28:48.550Z

conan:

Yes libs like authoritarian government

Your projection is getting old.

conan · 2021-12-11T22:32:11.522Z

Your denial is getting old.

Guilds · 2021-12-11T22:39:22.356Z

gooddad409:

There’s a lot of irony in that whole post actually.

The election was stolen
Climate change is a hoax
Tax cuts, create more revenue
Trickle down theory is valid
Racism is no longer an issue
Corporations are persons, with the same constitutional protections as human persons
The spending of money ,is considered free speech, protected by the 1st.

This is what the majority of cons here believe, and defend. All of them are demonstratively false.

But the RW has created it’s own echo chamber, to distort the facts…so debate is basically pointless, because most RW’ers base their beliefs on faith, and emotion.

It was not this bad prior to about 2014… today, it has gone to insanity.