Category 5 Hurricane Milton

Nemesis · 2024-10-12T21:08:57.416Z

I think the hurricanes are just bad luck back to back and not the result of climate chamge though I do thonk the overall changes in weather patterns do have a contributing factor from climate change.

My other point which i made badly is on one side you have those who thinl every natural disaster is climate change and then on the other side those that believe the government creates hurricanes and natural disasters.

Toll_Collector · 2024-10-12T21:22:00.031Z

I pretty much agree with you.

SixFoot · 2024-10-12T22:20:42.743Z

Toll_Collector:

Nemesis:

Sea temps have only been recorded since I think the mid 1800s so its possible that any increase in sea temps is natural but on the flip side it could also be man made. Regardless of the reasons why the temperature of the oceans have risen the impacts are real

A Warming Ocean

Yes. I do not deny that. What I am saying is, it doesn’t take high ocean temps to develop category 5 hurricanes. That isn’t the reason. We’re not seeing anything abnormal. We’re just trying to use a different excuse.

There will be slight cooling too as we crest the peak of solar activity for this cycle. Another Krakatoa-like eruption could rob us of a couple more summers, never know. It did cause spectacular sunsets for years afterwards, so at least we got some historical art out of it. lol

Other than that, we’re at 12,000+ years of continual (net) warming and counting. Here’s hoping for an ice-free arctic that I could swim in someday.

Samm · 2024-10-12T22:29:34.249Z

You can swim in it now.

SixFoot · 2024-10-12T22:30:49.061Z

Samm:

You can swim in it now.

Nah, I’m waiting for those ■■■■■■■ to drown first. Should be less than 12 years now.

biggestal99 · 2024-10-13T00:21:04.641Z

Samm:

Learn to know the difference between global oceanic average surface temperature and Gulf of Mexico surface temperature Allan.

you mean this?

Climate Adaptation Center – 23 Aug 24

The Gulf of Mexico has reached alarmingly high temperatures - Climate...

It may seem like record setting temperatures are becoming a common occurrence these days, but these sea surface temperatures are alarming. According to Brian McNoldy, a climatologist at the University...

Est. reading time: 5 minutes

Allan

Samm · 2024-10-13T00:28:35.008Z

biggestal99:

Samm:

Learn to know the difference between global oceanic average surface temperature and Gulf of Mexico surface temperature Allan.

you mean this?

The Gulf of Mexico has reached alarmingly high temperatures - Climate Adaptation Center

In other words, normal in the Gulf for this time of year.

Toll_Collector · 2024-10-13T06:23:07.069Z

I don’t know what is so alarming about 90 degree sea surface temperatures in the gulf. This is why hurricane season runs through November. It takes time for peak sea surface temps to dip below 80 degrees. Was November added to hurricane season? If so, not recently. But that would be a clear indication waters are warmer. But as far as I know, nothing has changed.

SixFoot · 2024-10-13T12:52:09.746Z

TheRedComet:

Yeah I love how a not insignificant amount of people are convinced the US government is literally led by Cobra Commander and his weather dominator.

I find it funny too, but for a different reason.

DMK · 2024-10-13T12:58:18.563Z

Toll_Collector:

I don’t know what is so alarming about 90 degree sea surface temperatures in the gulf. This is why hurricane season runs through November. It takes time for peak sea surface temps to dip below 80 degrees. Was November added to hurricane season? If so, not recently. But that would be a clear indication waters are warmer. But as far as I know, nothing has changed.

Nope, nothing has changed.

Ben_Natuf · 2024-10-14T12:23:51.489Z

SixFoot:

Here’s hoping for an ice-free arctic that I could swim in someday

the quaternary ending is a much better scenario than the Holocene ending and the quaternary continuing.

Ben_Natuf · 2024-10-14T12:32:39.606Z

why stop at the year without a summer jr, when we can go back to 1816 and experience the perfect climate from which all climate warming is measured?

moonshine · 2024-10-14T15:39:32.611Z

Aid to several communities impacted by Hurricane Helene was temporarily paused in parts of North Carolina over the weekend due to reports of threats against Federal Emergency Management Agency responders

from the sheriiff of ash county NC
We wanted to address the current issues being spread about FEMA in Ashe County.
As a response, they have been here to help and assist those in need. Recently in the mountain region, there have been threats made against them. This has not happened in Ashe County or the surrounding counties. Out of an abundance of caution, they have paused their process as they are assessing the threats.
We will notify everyone if and when we are updated.
Stay calm and steady during our recovery, help folks and please don’t stir the pot.
Sincerely, Sheriff Howell

Samm · 2024-10-14T22:24:01.050Z

Ben_Natuf:

SixFoot:

Here’s hoping for an ice-free arctic that I could swim in someday

the quaternary ending is a much better scenario than the Holocene ending and the quaternary continuing.

Yep. If you want to talk about potential global disasters, another ice age is about as bad as it gets.

But I think what you mean is the Pleistocene era. The Quaternary Period includes the Holocene.

SixFoot · 2024-10-14T22:28:11.094Z

Samm:

Ben_Natuf:

SixFoot:

Here’s hoping for an ice-free arctic that I could swim in someday

the quaternary ending is a much better scenario than the Holocene ending and the quaternary continuing.

Yep. If you want to talk about potential global disasters, another ice age is about as bad as it gets.

Global Warming = More food, more land, more resources, more people.

Global Cooling = Famine, death, less land, less resources.

But some pansy daffodils are afraid to get slightly moist on the way from their air conditioned home to their air conditioned vehicle to their air conditioned office.

Ben_Natuf · 2024-10-14T22:47:25.683Z

no, I mean the quaternary, which is the ice age we’re living in. The Holocene is just one interglacial epoch within it, of which there were others.

if the Holocene ends and the quaternary continues, we will be in the depths of an ice age. If the holocene epoch and quaternary period end together, we will return to the pliestocene era norm.

I know you know all this, I was just stating for clarity

Samm · 2024-10-14T23:06:49.823Z

Okay … I understand.

Ben_Natuf · 2024-10-14T23:09:56.261Z

Thing is, we are likely nearer the Holocene ending than science wants to admit. These interglacial epochs typically last 10-12K years. According to some, we’re in approximately year 11K. Others say its closer to 10K. A few even say 12K

Samm · 2024-10-15T00:00:23.329Z

Yep. That’s why I tell the eco nuts that I hope they are right … that increased CO2 by the activities of man is the only thing standing in the way of the impending ice age.

SixFoot · 2024-10-15T00:08:15.332Z

Ben_Natuf:

Thing is, we are likely nearer the Holocene ending than science wants to admit. These interglacial epochs typically last 10-12K years. According to some, we’re in approximately year 11K. Others say its closer to 10K. A few even say 12K

Ice core data also proves that we are currently living during the longest period of stable weather ever observed.

Times of plenty will end in a cold instant if the climate does what it’s been doing in recurring cycles for hundreds of thousands of years.