Carjacking Suspect meets Armed Pastor

WildRose · 2018-06-22T01:36:40.895Z

So just what law do you propose that if enacted could have prevented this?

SimplyTrying · 2018-06-22T10:01:33.922Z

WildRose:

You may not be but there are a hell of a lot of your fellow travelers that advocate for disarming us all to the greatest extent possible.

I don’t think you really have anything to worry about. There are more moderates.

SimplyTrying · 2018-06-22T10:02:47.721Z

WildRose:

So you are only advocating we get rid of AR’s in spite of the fact that it would have no measurable impact on homicide rates but at the same time say your goal is to cut the rate by half.

And we’re supposed to believe you’re being honest here?

Do you want to start anywhere at all?

Samm · 2018-06-22T13:29:00.620Z

SimplyTrying:

WildRose:

You may not be but there are a hell of a lot of your fellow travelers that advocate for disarming us all to the greatest extent possible.

I don’t think you really have anything to worry about. There are more moderates.

We always have to worry … complacency virtually always allows a well organized dedicated minority to assume control over the majority. History if full of examples of a minority zealots taking over … our own country owes its origin to fewer than 25% of the population of the colonies.

"The condition upon which God hath given liberty to man is eternal vigilance.” (Often misquoted as “Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty”) - John Philpot Curran

Samm · 2018-06-22T13:33:24.814Z

SimplyTrying:

WildRose:

So you are only advocating we get rid of AR’s in spite of the fact that it would have no measurable impact on homicide rates but at the same time say your goal is to cut the rate by half.

And we’re supposed to believe you’re being honest here?

Do you want to start anywhere at all?

If you want to accomplish your goal, why would you start where you would have so little impact? To make an analogy, if your house had no glass in the window frames, would you add insulation to the attic to reduce heat loss?

SimplyTrying · 2018-06-22T13:36:16.757Z

Samm:

SimplyTrying:

WildRose:

You may not be but there are a hell of a lot of your fellow travelers that advocate for disarming us all to the greatest extent possible.

I don’t think you really have anything to worry about. There are more moderates.

We always have to worry … complacency virtually always allows a well organized dedicated minority to assume control over the majority. History if full of examples of a minority zealots taking over … our own country owes its origin to fewer than 25% of the population of the colonies.

"The condition upon which God hath given liberty to man is eternal vigilance.” (Often misquoted as “Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty”) - John Philpot Curran

I doubt it. More than a minority have been trying to overturn Roe vs Wade for 50 years now.

SimplyTrying · 2018-06-22T13:38:16.753Z

Samm:

SimplyTrying:

WildRose:

So you are only advocating we get rid of AR’s in spite of the fact that it would have no measurable impact on homicide rates but at the same time say your goal is to cut the rate by half.

And we’re supposed to believe you’re being honest here?

Do you want to start anywhere at all?

If you want to accomplish your goal, why would you start where you would have so little impact? To make an analogy, if your house had no glass in the window frames, would you add insulation to the attic to reduce heat loss?

I don’t think anyone can say for certain that it would have little impact. And that was just an example anyway.

Samm · 2018-06-22T13:45:26.322Z

SimplyTrying:

Samm:

SimplyTrying:

WildRose:

You may not be but there are a hell of a lot of your fellow travelers that advocate for disarming us all to the greatest extent possible.

I don’t think you really have anything to worry about. There are more moderates.

We always have to worry … complacency virtually always allows a well organized dedicated minority to assume control over the majority. History if full of examples of a minority zealots taking over … our own country owes its origin to fewer than 25% of the population of the colonies.

"The condition upon which God hath given liberty to man is eternal vigilance.” (Often misquoted as “Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty”) - John Philpot Curran

I doubt it. More than a minority have been trying to overturn Roe vs Wade for 50 years now.

All minority efforts are not necessarily successful. But with regard to Roe v. Wade, there is enormous vigilance on the part of the pro-abortion faction to preserve it, and those who are trying to do so are not even close to a majority, so that is a really bad example.

Samm · 2018-06-22T13:47:03.826Z

SimplyTrying:

I don’t think anyone can say for certain that it would have little impact. And that was just an example anyway.

Of course it would have little impact. The statistics are crystal clear on that.

SimplyTrying · 2018-06-22T14:37:16.662Z

Samm:

SimplyTrying:

Samm:

SimplyTrying:

WildRose:

You may not be but there are a hell of a lot of your fellow travelers that advocate for disarming us all to the greatest extent possible.

I don’t think you really have anything to worry about. There are more moderates.

We always have to worry … complacency virtually always allows a well organized dedicated minority to assume control over the majority. History if full of examples of a minority zealots taking over … our own country owes its origin to fewer than 25% of the population of the colonies.

"The condition upon which God hath given liberty to man is eternal vigilance.” (Often misquoted as “Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty”) - John Philpot Curran

I doubt it. More than a minority have been trying to overturn Roe vs Wade for 50 years now.

All minority efforts are not necessarily successful. But with regard to Roe v. Wade, there is enormous vigilance on the part of the pro-abortion faction to preserve it, and those who are trying to do so are not even close to a majority, so that is a really bad example.

ok - no problem

SimplyTrying · 2018-06-22T14:37:55.895Z

Samm:

SimplyTrying:

I don’t think anyone can say for certain that it would have little impact. And that was just an example anyway.

Of course it would have little impact. The statistics are crystal clear on that.

Nothing is crystal clear. There are nothing but opinions.

Samm · 2018-06-22T14:41:27.546Z

SimplyTrying:

Samm:

SimplyTrying:

I don’t think anyone can say for certain that it would have little impact. And that was just an example anyway.

Of course it would have little impact. The statistics are crystal clear on that.

Nothing is crystal clear. There are nothing but opinions.

Of course its clear. The number of homicides committed with all types of rifles … not just ARs … is extremely small compared to those committed with handguns. The windows are open, don’t put more insulation in the attic if you want to cut your home energy bill.

SimplyTrying · 2018-06-22T16:36:56.161Z

Samm:

SimplyTrying:

Samm:

SimplyTrying:

I don’t think anyone can say for certain that it would have little impact. And that was just an example anyway.

Of course it would have little impact. The statistics are crystal clear on that.

Nothing is crystal clear. There are nothing but opinions.

Of course its clear. The number of homicides committed with all types of rifles … not just ARs … is extremely small compared to those committed with handguns. The windows are open, don’t put more insulation in the attic if you want to cut your home energy bill.

I’ll agree to disagree

WuWei · 2018-06-22T16:56:40.702Z

Look with both eyes open. Says more about the press than anything else.

WildRose · 2018-06-23T03:19:33.877Z

No, I don’t advocate gun bans of any kind but logic tells us if we’re going to do so in the name of reducing the number of victims you start where the biggest problem is, not the smallest.

WildRose · 2018-06-23T03:20:51.887Z

Of course we can since so called “assault rifles” are the least used of all firearms platforms in crimes.

WildRose · 2018-06-23T03:21:50.739Z

Then you are in denial of reality.

SimplyTrying · 2018-06-23T14:16:43.591Z

WildRose:

No, I don’t advocate gun bans of any kind but logic tells us if we’re going to do so in the name of reducing the number of victims you start where the biggest problem is, not the smallest.

I think when we see so many young children die people like me just want to do something instead of nothing. I don’t know how big a role these assault weapons ( that’s what I call them, people, don’t jump all over me for not being a gun expert please) play. But I would like to see our culture change to where there are not so many adult type weapons.

I imagine people like you, who are also horrified at these senseless deaths, want it to be addressed just as pationately.

When you say “the biggest problem” I am assuming you mean mental health issues. I agree that needs to be addressed at the same time.

I think a very big problem is that this is a political issue instead of a humanity issue. I myself make polarizing comments about gun owners and when I do that I am politicizing the issue. I want to stop doing that and start having reasonable discussions.

Thank you for your honest and snark- free conversation.

Maybe one day you will see it somewhat like I do and maybe one day I will see somewhat as you see it.

WuWei · 2018-06-23T14:18:36.692Z

SimplyTrying:

I think when we see so many young children die people like me just want to do something instead of nothing.

Completely understandable and the very reason both a republic and a Constitution are so very necessary.

SimplyTrying · 2018-06-23T14:21:28.851Z

WuWei:

SimplyTrying:

I think when we see so many young children die people like me just want to do something instead of nothing.

Completely understandable and the very reason both a republic and a Constitution are so very necessary.

I don’t follow what you are saying.