Carjacking Suspect meets Armed Pastor

CaughtInTheMiddle · 2018-06-21T11:48:19.061Z

SimplyTrying:

TheRedComet:

If he would have had one nearby he may would have. If I can I’ll grab my shotgun before I go for my revolver.

What’s your point? The would be carjacker and violent criminal is now six feet under. I don’t care what he was shot with. He’s where he belongs.

The purpose of these OPs IMO is to show how guns are a very valuable asset in some circumstances. My point is, we already know this and that we are not arguing against it. The argument we are making is that some limited gun control would be helpful and some weapons like AR15s may be a place to start. Since an AR15 was not used in this case, this OP does not meet the objective of arguing against sensible gun control. They may not be what the OP intended but I think it is.

honestly, with the way our constitution and BOR are written/interpreted if we could go from a firearm homicide every 54 minutes to every (say) every 90 minutes that would be a MAJOR accomplishment.

and, yeah, we’re loaded with guns and have tons of shootings so certain people have to post some feel good stories to counter the ~ 75 gun incidents every day. i guess it makes them feel better about their position.

SimplyTrying · 2018-06-21T11:51:36.318Z

CaughtInTheMiddle:

SimplyTrying:

TheRedComet:

If he would have had one nearby he may would have. If I can I’ll grab my shotgun before I go for my revolver.

What’s your point? The would be carjacker and violent criminal is now six feet under. I don’t care what he was shot with. He’s where he belongs.

The purpose of these OPs IMO is to show how guns are a very valuable asset in some circumstances. My point is, we already know this and that we are not arguing against it. The argument we are making is that some limited gun control would be helpful and some weapons like AR15s may be a place to start. Since an AR15 was not used in this case, this OP does not meet the objective of arguing against sensible gun control. They may not be what the OP intended but I think it is.

honestly, with the way our constitution and BOR are written/interpreted if we could go from a firearm homicide every 54 minutes to every (say) every 90 minutes that would be a MAJOR accomplishment.

and, yeah, we’re loaded with guns and have tons of shootings so certain people have to post some feel good stories to counter the ~ 75 gun incidents every day. i guess it makes them feel better about their position.

Yes, you articulated something I feel too but didn’t quite say it as well.

Samm · 2018-06-21T21:06:44.538Z

CaughtInTheMiddle:

honestly, with the way our constitution and BOR are written/interpreted if we could go from a firearm homicide every 54 minutes to every (say) every 90 minutes that would be a MAJOR accomplishment.

and, yeah, we’re loaded with guns and have tons of shootings so certain people have to post some feel good stories to counter the ~ 75 gun incidents every day. i guess it makes them feel better about their position.

Are you suggesting that banning ARs would produce such a result?

TheRedComet · 2018-06-21T23:28:47.472Z

I certainly hope he isn’t claiming that since most firearm homicides involve handguns.

If you ban ARs you end murder! Eureka! Who would have thought it so easy? end sarcasm

WildRose · 2018-06-22T01:33:06.134Z

You may not be but there are a hell of a lot of your fellow travelers that advocate for disarming us all to the greatest extent possible.

WildRose · 2018-06-22T01:34:53.849Z

So you are only advocating we get rid of AR’s in spite of the fact that it would have no measurable impact on homicide rates but at the same time say your goal is to cut the rate by half.

And we’re supposed to believe you’re being honest here?

WildRose · 2018-06-22T01:36:40.895Z

So just what law do you propose that if enacted could have prevented this?

SimplyTrying · 2018-06-22T10:01:33.922Z

WildRose:

You may not be but there are a hell of a lot of your fellow travelers that advocate for disarming us all to the greatest extent possible.

I don’t think you really have anything to worry about. There are more moderates.

SimplyTrying · 2018-06-22T10:02:47.721Z

WildRose:

So you are only advocating we get rid of AR’s in spite of the fact that it would have no measurable impact on homicide rates but at the same time say your goal is to cut the rate by half.

And we’re supposed to believe you’re being honest here?

Do you want to start anywhere at all?

Samm · 2018-06-22T13:29:00.620Z

SimplyTrying:

WildRose:

You may not be but there are a hell of a lot of your fellow travelers that advocate for disarming us all to the greatest extent possible.

I don’t think you really have anything to worry about. There are more moderates.

We always have to worry … complacency virtually always allows a well organized dedicated minority to assume control over the majority. History if full of examples of a minority zealots taking over … our own country owes its origin to fewer than 25% of the population of the colonies.

"The condition upon which God hath given liberty to man is eternal vigilance.” (Often misquoted as “Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty”) - John Philpot Curran

Samm · 2018-06-22T13:33:24.814Z

SimplyTrying:

WildRose:

So you are only advocating we get rid of AR’s in spite of the fact that it would have no measurable impact on homicide rates but at the same time say your goal is to cut the rate by half.

And we’re supposed to believe you’re being honest here?

Do you want to start anywhere at all?

If you want to accomplish your goal, why would you start where you would have so little impact? To make an analogy, if your house had no glass in the window frames, would you add insulation to the attic to reduce heat loss?

SimplyTrying · 2018-06-22T13:36:16.757Z

Samm:

SimplyTrying:

WildRose:

You may not be but there are a hell of a lot of your fellow travelers that advocate for disarming us all to the greatest extent possible.

I don’t think you really have anything to worry about. There are more moderates.

We always have to worry … complacency virtually always allows a well organized dedicated minority to assume control over the majority. History if full of examples of a minority zealots taking over … our own country owes its origin to fewer than 25% of the population of the colonies.

"The condition upon which God hath given liberty to man is eternal vigilance.” (Often misquoted as “Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty”) - John Philpot Curran

I doubt it. More than a minority have been trying to overturn Roe vs Wade for 50 years now.

SimplyTrying · 2018-06-22T13:38:16.753Z

Samm:

SimplyTrying:

WildRose:

So you are only advocating we get rid of AR’s in spite of the fact that it would have no measurable impact on homicide rates but at the same time say your goal is to cut the rate by half.

And we’re supposed to believe you’re being honest here?

Do you want to start anywhere at all?

If you want to accomplish your goal, why would you start where you would have so little impact? To make an analogy, if your house had no glass in the window frames, would you add insulation to the attic to reduce heat loss?

I don’t think anyone can say for certain that it would have little impact. And that was just an example anyway.

Samm · 2018-06-22T13:45:26.322Z

SimplyTrying:

Samm:

SimplyTrying:

WildRose:

You may not be but there are a hell of a lot of your fellow travelers that advocate for disarming us all to the greatest extent possible.

I don’t think you really have anything to worry about. There are more moderates.

We always have to worry … complacency virtually always allows a well organized dedicated minority to assume control over the majority. History if full of examples of a minority zealots taking over … our own country owes its origin to fewer than 25% of the population of the colonies.

"The condition upon which God hath given liberty to man is eternal vigilance.” (Often misquoted as “Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty”) - John Philpot Curran

I doubt it. More than a minority have been trying to overturn Roe vs Wade for 50 years now.

All minority efforts are not necessarily successful. But with regard to Roe v. Wade, there is enormous vigilance on the part of the pro-abortion faction to preserve it, and those who are trying to do so are not even close to a majority, so that is a really bad example.

Samm · 2018-06-22T13:47:03.826Z

SimplyTrying:

I don’t think anyone can say for certain that it would have little impact. And that was just an example anyway.

Of course it would have little impact. The statistics are crystal clear on that.

SimplyTrying · 2018-06-22T14:37:16.662Z

Samm:

SimplyTrying:

Samm:

SimplyTrying:

WildRose:

You may not be but there are a hell of a lot of your fellow travelers that advocate for disarming us all to the greatest extent possible.

I don’t think you really have anything to worry about. There are more moderates.

We always have to worry … complacency virtually always allows a well organized dedicated minority to assume control over the majority. History if full of examples of a minority zealots taking over … our own country owes its origin to fewer than 25% of the population of the colonies.

"The condition upon which God hath given liberty to man is eternal vigilance.” (Often misquoted as “Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty”) - John Philpot Curran

I doubt it. More than a minority have been trying to overturn Roe vs Wade for 50 years now.

All minority efforts are not necessarily successful. But with regard to Roe v. Wade, there is enormous vigilance on the part of the pro-abortion faction to preserve it, and those who are trying to do so are not even close to a majority, so that is a really bad example.

ok - no problem

SimplyTrying · 2018-06-22T14:37:55.895Z

Samm:

SimplyTrying:

I don’t think anyone can say for certain that it would have little impact. And that was just an example anyway.

Of course it would have little impact. The statistics are crystal clear on that.

Nothing is crystal clear. There are nothing but opinions.

Samm · 2018-06-22T14:41:27.546Z

SimplyTrying:

Samm:

SimplyTrying:

I don’t think anyone can say for certain that it would have little impact. And that was just an example anyway.

Of course it would have little impact. The statistics are crystal clear on that.

Nothing is crystal clear. There are nothing but opinions.

Of course its clear. The number of homicides committed with all types of rifles … not just ARs … is extremely small compared to those committed with handguns. The windows are open, don’t put more insulation in the attic if you want to cut your home energy bill.

SimplyTrying · 2018-06-22T16:36:56.161Z

Samm:

SimplyTrying:

Samm:

SimplyTrying:

I don’t think anyone can say for certain that it would have little impact. And that was just an example anyway.

Of course it would have little impact. The statistics are crystal clear on that.

Nothing is crystal clear. There are nothing but opinions.

Of course its clear. The number of homicides committed with all types of rifles … not just ARs … is extremely small compared to those committed with handguns. The windows are open, don’t put more insulation in the attic if you want to cut your home energy bill.

I’ll agree to disagree

WuWei · 2018-06-22T16:56:40.702Z

Look with both eyes open. Says more about the press than anything else.