Can Socialism and Capitalism Benefit One Another?

A new op-ed in the NYT asks an interesting question; must capitalists be opposed to social programs, or can they work together for mutual economic benefit?

I think the article is behind a pay wall so I will provide a few snippets here.

Quoting from the article,

There’s a big lesson here: When capitalists perceive government as a logistical ally rather than an ideological foe and when all citizens have a stake in high-quality public institutions, it’s amazing how well government can get things done.

I recall, some years ago, coming across a statistic that showed GM spending more money on healthcare benefits for employees than on steel for each vehicle they manufactured. GM exists to manufacture and sell vehicles, not provide healthcare. Wouldn’t it be better for everyone if GM could focus their efforts on their core competency?

Again, from the article,

Paying taxes is a convenient way for capitalists to outsource to the government the work of keeping workers healthy and educated.

Of course, a national healthcare system would cost money. Taxes on businesses and individuals would need to be increased. But there would also cost reductions that could offset most, if not all, of the tax increases.

Businesses would not need to directly administer these benefits and individuals would not need to pay for the health insurance premiums (at least to the level they do now). In addition to freeing businesses from being healthcare providers a national healthcare system would offer individuals with portable coverage, allowing them to move more freely from one job to another.

As for the potential negative impact on the economy as a whole, the article offers the following interesting statistic,

Here’s the funny thing, though: Over the past 50 years, if you had invested in a basket of Nordic equities, you would have earned a higher annual real return than the American stock market during the same half-century, according to global equities data published by Credit Suisse.

Why then are we where we are? Why are so many Americans fearful of a national healthcare system? In part, it’s clear they have been led to believe that social programs are the enemy of capitalism and will hurt them economically.

And finally, from the article,

If these moves by Finnish capitalists sound hard to imagine, it’s because people in the United States have been peddled a myth that universal government programs like these can’t coexist with profitable private-sector businesses and robust economic growth.

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I think a blend between the two is best. Example, free markets aren’t condusive to emergency health care. Nobody shops around when they are having a heart attack.

They don’t have to shop around when they are having a heart attack.

Business isn’t administering these plans. Taxes/Premiums give it a name.

Employment portability does not benefit business.

We don’t trust our government. Was that article written by a Finn business owner? No. She is a “journalist”. Why isn’t she running her own business in Finland? Why did she leave paradise and become a citizen of this dump?

Clearly it is an op-ed, as stated in the OP, but this doesn’t mean that her observations are invalid.

“Employment portability does not benefit business.”

Are you opposed to benefiting individuals? Besides, insurance portability makes it easier for people to start their own businesses.

Of course it does.

No, her opinion was about the benefits to business.

How?

Why did she leave paradise?

Think about this: She left Finland to come here, and now tells us we need to be like the place she left to come here.

Does that make any sense at all to anyone?

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People bring ideas with them when they travel or migrate. It’s not illogical.

“Ideas”? She had that “idea” in execution. She left paradise to come here. And you think it’s logical we should consider a system she advocates, yet moved away from?

This is the same thing that happens with those stupid ■■■■■■■■■■■ who move to Texas from some lib ■■■■ hole.

Transplants.

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You are assuming there is no other valid reason she came here. You are assuming her preference for their system should supersede every other consideration possible. That’s a giant assumption.

Don’t assume.

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How far back in history do you apply that disgust for transplanted ideas?

Read what I wrote. Not transplanted ideas. Transplants.

She left paradise.

My wife left Finland to come here too.

She understands that America has offered her opportunities that she would not have had in Finland. There people are forced by their education into career tracks in a way we are not here. My wife was able to go back to college here and had a very successful career in the rag trade.

On the other hand she and I realize that as she has a pre existing medical condition it was far too risky for me to venture out and start my own business.

Each country has advantages and disadvantages.

The bottom line for me is the lack of healthcare insurance portability. If we had a healthcare system more like Finland’s I would probably be in a much different place than I am today.

Yes…

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I like “she left paradise, so obviously she’s a fraud,” better. It’s much easier.

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Agreed.

It already does.

Exactly. If it were that great she would still be there.

The idea of high taxes being good for business is so much BS.

So wrong. It all depends on what the high taxes provide.

When socialism and capitalism get together, libs complain about Wal-Mart employees living off of food stamps because they don’t get paid enough.

How dare if you do, damned if you don’t. lol

Wow, how can you be so wrong?

It’s capitalism that drives down wages to the point where workers can’t even afford food. In your scenario it’s socialism that keeps them alive to work another day.

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