Can American Socialists learn from Venezuela?

You must not post here very much to have missed all of the OP’s threads on the subject.

Can you think outside of a straight line?

You:

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Realitish:

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(Yes I recognize it’s US and Sweden and actual points on the second graph differ depending on one’s definition of prosperity…)

Credit to Jordan Ellenberg for the graph…

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Below, you will see some of the most socialistic nations in the world today:

China
Denmark
Finland
Netherlands
Canada
Sweden
Norway
Ireland
New Zealand
Belgium

But yet every couple of months we are offered a OP about only Venezuela. Sure there are bad things with that and other socialist countries. And we can learn from the failures and successes of how socialist countries work. But it seems that those who make these posts are not interested in discussing both sides of the argument or even admit that we have many forms of socialism in our country today. And that many of those are successful.

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There is a difference between a state supporting social welfare programs and a socialist country that controls the means of production. Venezuela fits the later description. Canada does not…

Lol

The Americans “left” as it were, and as defined by the political ideology and party identification of the Democratic Party, is that they are not socialists, are not trying to become socialists, and are not even in the same realm as the socialists in Venezuela. It was a bait thread.

Full speed ahead. Fascinating.

Caracas

Carcass

Nice.

Neither does any social democracy, that’s the point…

Yet somehow advocating for universal healthcare pushes us right passed Canada into some evil socialist state.

Way more people than the US (totalitarian socialism)
China

Way less people than the US (not-so-totalitarian socialism)
Denmark
Finland
Netherlands
Canada
Sweden
Norway
Ireland
New Zealand
Belgium

More people = Harder to control without force? :thinking:

you never talk about Norway, Sweden or others you seem to be a lover of Venezuela

If Venezuela was a right wing government starving it’s citizens the left would want to use the military to save them,

American socialists will not learn until they get their revolution

“Norway is Venezuela on Steroids.” — Matt Bruenig

Why the hell is Sweden not located at 100% “Swedishness”?

don’t base your whole economy on a single industry.

The prominent “socialists” in the United States seem to be advocates of market socialism.

You think the only problem is lower oil prices?

NO! American Democrat socialists are not capable of learning anything! Leftist policies always fail and they just blame others and move on to their next disaster!

That’s how you know it’s a religion. Jim Jones went into the jungle to build perfect socialism and succeeded. They almost all died. That must be the goal of socialism.

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I could not agree more!