California fires...its largely about land management and environmental management

Konssurvative1 · 2018-11-11T21:44:42.629Z

Yeah…i know more than you guys think.

Cynic · 2018-11-11T21:47:05.803Z

Which is why this is a disappointing thread, tbh.

sikofit · 2018-11-11T21:49:57.809Z

Konssurvative1:

Yeah…i know more than you guys think.

I’m sorry if I’m coming off as condescending or attacking you as neither is my intention. I agree with some of what you said. But there really isn’t much more than can be done in Southern California and the only real solution in Northern California at this point is to allow it to burn

sikofit · 2018-11-11T21:54:21.392Z

Konssurvative1:

I guess I’m still a conservative on things like this. That’s what I love about this place. I can’t win for being honest.

That’s what I love too. Being able to have a discussion with those I disagree with. At least that’s how it use to be and how I hope it will be again. No winning or losing though, just discussing.

Konssurvative1 · 2018-11-11T21:57:20.150Z

Dude. It’s ok. I am quite used to getting heat on all sides. I’m a conservative who really has nothing good to say about Trump. And then i knew I’d take heat here on this stance. But I’ve studied environmental mgmt for years. I get very frustrated with Joe Homeowner building/ buying houses where there should be no houses. These fires have probably been going on for hundreds of years. So they know these things occur almost annually. So why put homes in the hills…or places where there are fires regularly?

sikofit · 2018-11-11T22:08:44.019Z

I agree that laws should be enacted to control future urban sprawl but a lot of these communities are extremely well established bedroom communities for the state’s agricultural regions. Uprooting them would be devastating not only for the state but the entire country. Especially if we’re going to be slapping tariffs on imported produce.

pam95650 · 2018-11-11T22:20:49.764Z

And hurricanes continue to destroy also. Are the residence of Paradise required to cut down every tree on their property?

I suggest you look at the town through Google Earth and go to street level. You’ll see the type of community it is.

BTW, the town is about 70 miles from me. The smoke is so heavy, we’ve got to wear masks to go outside.

Konssurvative1 · 2018-11-11T22:23:02.233Z

Then they should focus on those areas and work on prevention there.

sikofit · 2018-11-11T22:27:37.629Z

Konssurvative1:

Then they should focus on those areas and work on prevention there.

Google Earth Grass Valley, Oakhurst, Mammoth Lakes or Tahoe Donner and suggest a fire prevention strategy that isn’t already in effect and doesn’t involve moving the community or letting it burn.

Konssurvative1 · 2018-11-11T23:41:46.928Z

And I’m saying once a place is destroyed don’t allow rebuilding in that burn zone, flood plain or hurricane prone area.

sikofit · 2018-11-11T23:44:45.652Z

You’re talking about making 30%+ of California unhabitable. California has hills and mountains, lot of them.

Nor can California be America’s fruit basket without those communities

Konssurvative1 · 2018-11-11T23:44:56.385Z

I’m sorry but it makes no sense to continue bad practice and policy when you know its bound to fail. I’m not saying I agree with Trump…but I agree with me.
I agree with trump that somethings gotta give.

Konssurvative1 · 2018-11-11T23:45:59.050Z

Ok then…so be it.

sikofit · 2018-11-11T23:47:38.467Z

Konssurvative1:

Ok then…so be it.

So be be it on abandoning the highest producing agricultural region in the entire country?

sikofit · 2018-11-11T23:50:40.901Z

Konssurvative1:

Ok then…so be it.

I sure hope you’re okay with California’s farms being worked 100% by illegal immigrants if we’re going to abandon these communities after every fire.

Konssurvative1 · 2018-11-11T23:52:12.838Z

Did i say anything about abandoning ag? Hell if it’s ag. Then change these irrigation restrictions and irrigate the land. If they can’t or won’t, then don’t bring it up.

sikofit · 2018-11-11T23:53:07.629Z

Konssurvative1:

Did i say anything about abandoning ag? Hell if it’s ag. Then change these irrigation restrictions and irrigate the land. If they can’t or won’t, then don’t bring it up.

Where are you going to get the workers?

Konssurvative1 · 2018-11-11T23:53:07.953Z

I don’t care who works then…and really what’s that got to do with anything?

sikofit · 2018-11-11T23:54:15.996Z

Konssurvative1:

I don’t care who works then…and really what’s that got to do with anything?

Because the communities you think we should abandon are the same ones that farm workers typically live in.

Konssurvative1 · 2018-11-11T23:57:14.873Z

My point in all of this is to say I believe that until the risks can be mitigated greatly. It is my believe that we should not throw federal aid and insurance money to simply rebuild in the same fire prone areas, flood plains, and hurricane areas. Libruls complained when it was suggested to not rebuild the 9th ward in NOLA. I believe that it should not be rebuilt…as its just gonna happen again. Then we throw money at it again. And again and again.