CA bans gas vehicles

Supreme_War_Pig · 2022-09-26T18:20:13.253Z

Especially for a fellow who has made it perfectly clear that he wants nothing to do with CA

Samm · 2022-09-26T19:22:24.256Z

fallenturtle:

BraveGear:

Now, imagine all cars are electric. How many hours of your life will you spend sitting in line to charge your planet-saving cracker box?

Think about how long it took to charge an EV 10 years ago. Think about how long it takes now. Now consider how long it will take 10 years from now.

The technology is limited by physics. Look up the definition of asymptote.

Samm · 2022-09-26T19:24:15.485Z

Jezcoe:

The US should be leaders in the technology… not followers.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/26/business/china-electric-vehicles.html

Here’s a thought … move to China.

Samm · 2022-09-26T19:27:04.241Z

Jezcoe:

BraveGear:

Jezcoe:

The US should be leaders in the technology… not followers.

The U.S. has no resources for raw materials to manufacture electric car batteries, and most all come from the Democrats favorite country, China. The same can be said of Solar Panels and wind turbines.

The US has plenty of resources.

It is if we have the will to exploit them.

Yes we do (although not all of them,) but your eco-green buddies fight tooth and nail to prevent anyone from mining them.

Samm · 2022-09-26T19:29:34.643Z

Jezcoe:

BraveGear:

Jezcoe:

The US has plenty of resources.

Most of the cobalt used in electric car batteries is controlled by China. It comes from mines in the Democratic Republic of Congo, where mining involves child labor abuses and environmental destruction from strip mining.

What the U.S. does have is an abundant supply of oil and natural gas, but we all know the Democrats won’t allow us to use that resource.

Burning fossils for energy is on the way out.

The US should be the leader in new technologies of power generation… not followers

We can’t be a leader in anything if we are beholding to China to produce it.

Samm · 2022-09-26T19:30:42.869Z

PurpnGold:

BraveGear:

We didn’t shoot the horses before automobiles were affordable, practical and a better alternative for the buyer.

We aren’t “shooting” ICE. ICE will exist even when Electric cars grow to their full potential. You can today, ride a horse. You can today ride a carriage. Nothing is stopping you.

They are actually the cleanest vehicles available. But you can see why, today, they are far inferior to ICE in most situations.

Not in California.

Samm · 2022-09-26T19:32:35.809Z

Jezcoe:

Mountain_Soldier:

Jezcoe:

BraveGear:

Jezcoe:

The US should be leaders in the technology… not followers.

The U.S. has no resources for raw materials to manufacture electric car batteries, and most all come from the Democrats favorite country, China. The same can be said of Solar Panels and wind turbines.

The US has plenty of resources.

It is if we have the will to exploit them.

If the environmentalist whackos let us that is. That’s your side.

My “side” wants to see a transition away from fossil fuels into renewable sources of energy where the US is the global leader in development and manufacturing.

Yeah, but your side thinks electricity comes from those plastic outlets on the wall.

Samm · 2022-09-26T19:35:36.719Z

Jezcoe:

Mountain_Soldier:

Jezcoe:

Mountain_Soldier:

Jezcoe:

BraveGear:

Jezcoe:

The US should be leaders in the technology… not followers.

The U.S. has no resources for raw materials to manufacture electric car batteries, and most all come from the Democrats favorite country, China. The same can be said of Solar Panels and wind turbines.

The US has plenty of resources.

It is if we have the will to exploit them.

If the environmentalist whackos let us that is. That’s your side.

My “side” wants to see a transition away from fossil fuels into renewable sources of energy where the US is the global leader in development and manufacturing.

How do you develop that technology without acquiring the resources to do so?

You put yourself in a corner.

No… no I haven’t.

Develop the resources and technology so the US can be the global leader.

How can I make myself anymore clear?

You can make yourself clearer by pointing out where in this country those alleged resources exist and then lead the charge against your eco-whacko buddies to extract and exploit them.

PurpnGold · 2022-09-26T19:48:25.146Z

Samm:

PurpnGold:

BraveGear:

We didn’t shoot the horses before automobiles were affordable, practical and a better alternative for the buyer.

We aren’t “shooting” ICE. ICE will exist even when Electric cars grow to their full potential. You can today, ride a horse. You can today ride a carriage. Nothing is stopping you.

They are actually the cleanest vehicles available. But you can see why, today, they are far inferior to ICE in most situations.

Not in California.

Yes in California. The ban is on NEW sales.

Samm · 2022-09-26T19:49:22.005Z

Jezcoe:

Mountain_Soldier:

Even with the environmentalists blocking basically every proposed new drilling / mining site?

Argue with them… not with me.

No … You argue with them. They won’t listen to us.

Samm · 2022-09-26T19:55:42.173Z

Jezcoe:

STODR:

Because you are not saying anything but “nut agh”

Then there isn’t a good faith argument happening here.

I am advocating for the US to be the leader in development and manufacturing and so far any counter argument is involving points that I am not making.

Try harder guys.

You’re not advocating, you’re giving lip service. An advocate would take action. Those naive idealist environmentalists who want fossil fuel gone are the primary impediment to energy independence in this country. And they are of your political ilk, not ours.

Jezcoe · 2022-09-26T19:56:30.041Z

Somehow things are my fault.

Kinda funny.

Samm · 2022-09-26T19:57:30.318Z

Supreme_War_Pig:

BraveGear:

Jezcoe:

The US has plenty of resources.

Most of the cobalt used in electric car batteries is controlled by China. It comes from mines in the Congo, where mining involves child labor abuses and environmental destruction from strip mining.

What the U.S. does have is an abundant supply of oil and natural gas, but we all know the Democrats won’t allow us to use that resource.

That’s weird. I could have sworn that I gassed up the car yesterday. And I didn’t see any Democrats trying to stop me.

You’re being naive. They are trying to stop you on the supply end, not the delivery end.

fallenturtle · 2022-09-26T20:08:12.084Z

Samm:

fallenturtle:

BraveGear:

Now, imagine all cars are electric. How many hours of your life will you spend sitting in line to charge your planet-saving cracker box?

Think about how long it took to charge an EV 10 years ago. Think about how long it takes now. Now consider how long it will take 10 years from now.

The technology is limited by physics. Look up the definition of asymptote.

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Samm · 2022-09-26T20:15:23.287Z

zantax:

Jezcoe:

zantax:

More like typical government.

It didn’t seem too expensive for China to put up the money… now they have the rights to manufacture US technology.

We have to get out of the short sightedness of our thinking.

Didn’t finish the article? Their rights have been rescinded.

China spends millions of dollars every year to try to steal technology from the US. They are not going to let a little thing like “rescinded manufacturing rights” keep them from doing anything.

Samm · 2022-09-26T20:17:15.884Z

JimmyC:

BraveGear:

Which would you rather have in your neighborhood, a strip mine or this finished pipeline?

Do they put mines in people’s neighborhoods?

Yes, actually. Mining claims very often predate the neighborhoods.

Samm · 2022-09-26T20:21:44.650Z

gooddad409:

BraveGear:

Jezcoe:

My “side” wants to see a transition away from fossil fuels into renewable sou

Cobalt Mine. Doesn’t this make you feel “Green?”

Much bigger mess than an oil well imo.

Not after it has been reclaimed.

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Rurudyne · 2022-09-26T20:22:27.142Z

Besides, they have lots of bought and paid for American politicians to help them out.

Samm · 2022-09-26T20:24:20.970Z

fallenturtle:

BraveGear:

fallenturtle:

Tesla is like the Lexus of EVs. There are cheaper EVs.

Living in Florida, we are facing a hurricane later this week. Where can I go to get one of those Green Generators for when the power goes out?

What are you talking about? Go to Home Depot and buy a generator that uses gasoline.

Looks like you are finally beginning to see the light.

Samm · 2022-09-26T20:25:36.730Z

PurpnGold:

Samm:

PurpnGold:

BraveGear:

We didn’t shoot the horses before automobiles were affordable, practical and a better alternative for the buyer.

We aren’t “shooting” ICE. ICE will exist even when Electric cars grow to their full potential. You can today, ride a horse. You can today ride a carriage. Nothing is stopping you.

They are actually the cleanest vehicles available. But you can see why, today, they are far inferior to ICE in most situations.

Not in California.

Yes in California. The ban is on NEW sales.

Currently. Now factor in the word “attrition.”