CA bans gas vehicles

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@Cratic3947

If EV’s were ready for prime time the govt would not have to force them on people.

That nails it! Nothing else needs saying.

Well, except that its a disingenuous statement because the ban doesn’t take effect for over a decade from now. Y’all are acting like they’re being banned tomorrow.

And that there are mandatory quotas included every few years along the way…. If they’re not met the people are going to pay. But you knew that too.

How will they pay?

Car manufacturers will no longer sell in the state due to the fines they’ll face. $20,000 per vehicle over the quota doesn’t just get absorbed. They’ll file for bankruptcy in the state and people will be forced to go to other states for maintenance or safety recalls.

But that’s what the left wants. People to suffer, damn the consequences. Hard coded in the bill.

You’re being dishonest. The left wants us to transition over to EVs. The part about them wanting us to suffer is ■■■■ you made up.

Then why the hard deadlines? Harsh penalties? That’s to penalize, not incentivize.

Who’s being dishonest?

Are you saying 1/3 of all vehicles sold within three years in CA aren’t mandated to be EVs?

What am I being dishonest about?

You’re being dishonest with you claim the left wants people to suffer.

Then what’s with the harsh penalties? What are they designed to do?

What are the penalties? I can’t find them. I looked at the Advanced Clean Cars II but I can’t find it.

California bans sales of new gas-powered cars by 2035. Now the real work begins. If carmakers fail to meet mandated percentages between now and 2035, they could be fined $20,000 for each noncomplying vehicle short of the yearly target.

Where are you getting the $20,000 fine from?

This source good enough?

California plans to ban sales of new gas cars by 2035; fines for automakers...

[fallenturtle]

Yea, that’s fine. Thanks!

Not sure why my google-fu failed me. I was then later able to find a NYT article that says,
“To enforce its rule, Ms. Randolph said California would fine automakers up to $20,000 for every car that falls short of production targets. The state also could propose new amendments revising the sales targets if the market doesn’t react as state leaders hope, said Jennifer Gress, who leads the California air board’s sustainable transportation division.”

Sounds like the situation is in flex and not yet codified.

That said, I still say its dishonest to claim the intention of this is to hurt people. I think that’s similar to saying that environmental protection laws are designed to hurt people because factories might raise their prices to cover the additional cost of meeting regulations.

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@Cratic3947

If EV’s were ready for prime time the govt would not have to force them on people.

That nails it! Nothing else needs saying.

Well, except that its a disingenuous statement because the ban doesn’t take effect for over a decade from now. Y’all are acting like they’re being banned tomorrow.

No he nailed it! Whether it happens tomorrow or 10 years down the road means nothing!

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@Cratic3947

If EV’s were ready for prime time the govt would not have to force them on people.

That nails it! Nothing else needs saying.

Well, except that its a disingenuous statement because the ban doesn’t take effect for over a decade from now. Y’all are acting like they’re being banned tomorrow.

No he nailed it! Whether it happens tomorrow or 10 years down the road means nothing!

No, my friend. He did not “nail it”. 10 years covers a lot of technical innovations in cars and infrastructure.

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@Cratic3947

If EV’s were ready for prime time the govt would not have to force them on people.

That nails it! Nothing else needs saying.

Well, except that its a disingenuous statement because the ban doesn’t take effect for over a decade from now. Y’all are acting like they’re being banned tomorrow.

And that there are mandatory quotas included every few years along the way…. If they’re not met the people are going to pay. But you knew that too.

How will they pay?

Car manufacturers will no longer sell in the state due to the fines they’ll face. $20,000 per vehicle over the quota doesn’t just get absorbed. They’ll file for bankruptcy in the state and people will be forced to go to other states for maintenance or safety recalls.

But that’s what the left wants. People to suffer, damn the consequences. Hard coded in the bill.

You’re being dishonest. The left wants us to transition over to EVs. The part about them wanting us to suffer is ■■■■ you made up.

Then why the hard deadlines? Harsh penalties? That’s to penalize, not incentivize.

Who’s being dishonest?

Are you saying 1/3 of all vehicles sold within three years in CA aren’t mandated to be EVs?

What am I being dishonest about?

You’re being dishonest with you claim the left wants people to suffer.

Then what’s with the harsh penalties? What are they designed to do?

They are designed to force people to comply or suffer the consequences of course.

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Which people? Which consequences?

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Which people? Which consequences?

In 3 years if not enough people buy expensive EVs (which CA is not providing any incentives to do so) and manufacturers sell too many gas vehicles, they’ll be hit with millions of dollars of fines at a minimum. I’d hope they’d pull up stakes and get the hell out of CA.

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@Cratic3947

If EV’s were ready for prime time the govt would not have to force them on people.

That nails it! Nothing else needs saying.

Well, except that its a disingenuous statement because the ban doesn’t take effect for over a decade from now. Y’all are acting like they’re being banned tomorrow.

No he nailed it! Whether it happens tomorrow or 10 years down the road means nothing!

No, my friend. He did not “nail it”. 10 years covers a lot of technical innovations in cars and infrastructure.

You are right. In ten years, China will probably have a complete monopoly on the mineral resources required to manufacture “green” technology.

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Which people? Which consequences?

In 3 years if not enough people buy expensive EVs (which CA is not providing any incentives to do so) and manufacturers sell too many gas vehicles, they’ll be hit with millions of dollars of fines at a minimum. I’d hope they’d pull up stakes and get the hell out of CA.

https://driveclean.ca.gov/search-incentives

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Is that a “technical innovation in cars”?

[gooddad409]

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@Cratic3947

If EV’s were ready for prime time the govt would not have to force them on people.

That nails it! Nothing else needs saying.

Well, except that its a disingenuous statement because the ban doesn’t take effect for over a decade from now. Y’all are acting like they’re being banned tomorrow.

No he nailed it! Whether it happens tomorrow or 10 years down the road means nothing!

No, my friend. He did not “nail it”. 10 years covers a lot of technical innovations in cars and infrastructure.

1st of all i am not your friend.

2ndly he absolutely did nail it. Just the facts.

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@Cratic3947

If EV’s were ready for prime time the govt would not have to force them on people.

That nails it! Nothing else needs saying.

Well, except that its a disingenuous statement because the ban doesn’t take effect for over a decade from now. Y’all are acting like they’re being banned tomorrow.

No he nailed it! Whether it happens tomorrow or 10 years down the road means nothing!

No, my friend. He did not “nail it”. 10 years covers a lot of technical innovations in cars and infrastructure.

1st of all i am not your friend.

lol, triggered

2ndly he absolutely did nail it. Just the facts.

Fact and Opinion for Kids | What Is the Difference between Facts and Opinions?

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Which people? Which consequences?

In 3 years if not enough people buy expensive EVs (which CA is not providing any incentives to do so) and manufacturers sell too many gas vehicles, they’ll be hit with millions of dollars of fines at a minimum. I’d hope they’d pull up stakes and get the hell out of CA.

https://driveclean.ca.gov/search-incentives

Lol…. First one I clicked on.

Lots of people driving 26+ year old vehicles with a desire to go the EV route?

[Samm]

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Is that a “technical innovation in cars”?

Yes. Without the minerals, there is no technological advancement.

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Dude… look harder.
https://cleanvehiclerebate.org/en

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Is that a “technical innovation in cars”?

Yes. Without the minerals, there is no technological advancement.

I believed we’ve already discussed the Salton Sea.

[Rurudyne]

Yep. Better to abandon California to its fate without you than to let them visciously take you down because the folks in Sacramento have their heads completely up the butts.

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If they will not succeed with giverment’s fat finger on the scales, they will not succeed without.

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@Rurudyne

If they will not succeed with giverment’s fat finger on the scales, they will not succeed without.

Based on how things have been going, it seem very likely that EVs will replace ICE vehicles in time.

[Rurudyne]

Remove the fat fingers and see what hapoens.