BTW, we are well into the great copper landline shutoff

If this is about the copper then that is really sad.

Another strike against EV by force and fiat.

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If you need to build a house or a business, you just MIGHT need copper to run electricity through your home or business.

And copper has been in short supply recently.

It makes sense to shutdown a dead technology and allow that copper to be reallocated to better use, whether in homes, business or EVs. And as much or more is going to new homes and business than to EVs.

EV consumes far more copper than a few scraps of Bell cables can provide.

That is a silly reason to shut down land lines.

It is a harsh reality for moving too much added burden to the electric grid too soon.

Probably more copper in old pennies.

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copper is needed to run power. at least residential. i think Al still has its place commercially.

I have no reason to believe anyone is ā– ā– ā– ā– ā– ā– ā– ā–  diwn existing powerlines retroactively.

What is being removed is the legal right to build a hunting camp on the ass of the earth then bevone liberal and entitled demanding companies erect hundreds of poles and hang mile afterile of new wire just someone demanded it.

When you demand that the only way to get a required/mandated service is via onlineā€¦

Well, rural can just suck it and take the beating right?

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Sounds like the place I grew up.
Our house was relatively modern but the only utility was electricity.
Elecricyty ran a pump we had our own well and septic and little or no TV reception.
We had an modern oil furnace but we used it like a backup and heated the house with wood.

We sure as hell were not the type of folks who would build miles from a main road and power line and then expect government to require a corporation to run an electric line to that (new) house for free.

Who is requireing?

Is there some law that says ā€œYou cannot order XY or Zā€ except by the Internet?
What law?

If you need to order something online order it on a cell phone,
or order it at the library next time you are in town.

You can also order most things by mail or by telephone.
If I walk up to the attic I donā€™t demand my mom bring me dinner up there furthest thing from me would be to cry cry "unfair you just wnat me to sucki it and take a beating if she would not.

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But you said at the beginning of the thread that you had satellite internet. Is is super expensive or something?

I have no cell reception where we live. Itā€™s spotty at best everywhere around here due to the Verizon and Inland.Cellular tower fight and the mountains.

You also assume much about where I live. Tell me, how does a person renew their vehicle registration when there is no local dmv office and you are told online registration is how those in your county must now renew? That is out future here. We are about to lose this option and there are mamy who have no way or even understand how to do that. Not everyone is a millennial with a phone attached to them.

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I do. What do you consider expensive?

I was mainly referring to.those who do not have the ability to do any of this. They do exist.

I dunno. Certainly more than $100.00

Okay. Satellite is an option. Hopefully they get it soon

You need to get out more. In large swaths of this country, landlines are the mainstay of telephone communication and Internet connectivity.

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Starlink is currently only available to about 60 degrees north latitude.

large swaths with very few people.

hence no profit for companies.

what happens if your LEC goes south for the winter?

Allan

Then go to a library, church, friends house, govā€™t office or small business
just like you used to go to DMV (a govā€™t office) in person you can now access the internet elsewhere.

PS The only assumption I am making about you is that you are assuming when copper phone lines are removed or replaced, that will create some problem it is not.

There are millions of people in that circumstance. But it really doesnā€™t matter how many people. They are all Americans living the life they chose. You cut off their phone and Internet if you eliminate land lines. Are they to abandon their homes to stay in contact with the world? Who pays for that?

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Replace first, then you can eliminate. If you donā€™t, the problem will be very real for a whole lot of people.

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I can certainly see how people with an existing copper line for a rotary phone would feel like like the rug is being pulled out from under them.

Growing up, if we had received notice ā€œin the future if your phone line goes down weā€™re not going to fix itā€ we would have felt robbed.

I am willing to concede that part.

We arenā€™t talking about rotary phones. We are talking about modern phones with all the bells and whistles ā€¦ and Internet service.

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