BTW, we are well into the great copper landline shutoff

The FCC eliminated the requirement for copper landlines, beginning in August 2022 and the shutoff has been underway since then.

In Britain, the solid shutdown date is 2025.

In the United States, while there is not a de jure shutdown date, 2025 is the de facto shutoff year. That is when AT&T has pledged to have completed its shutdown of its copper landlines and the removal of copper infrastructure and other infrastructure related to traditional copper landline search. While it is possible that isolated non-AT&T copper service might exist after 2025, for all intents and purposes, copper will be dead in 2025.

While there is pushback from people in remote areas and seniors, the FCC was correct in removing the mandate to retain legacy copper. It is a massive money loser, particularly with young folks who have never used a landline in their life and never will. And there are options available for seniors, including senior friendly big button cellphones with easy access to emergency services.

All things must die.

The time has arrived for the death of the copper landline.

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Doubt I’ll be losing my landline anytime soon.

I wonder if some seniors will opt for VoIP.

cable/fiber is still the backbone of high speed data. that will be around a while

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I dont know anyone who still has a landline.

Even my older family members dumped landlines a few years ago. Pointless extra cost.

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I do because we get.no cell seevice where i live and in order to have internet it is satellite only.

Guess us non city dwelling people can just lump it.

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i havent ordered copper for my central office for about 10 years.

t1 and t3 are dwindling on a daily basis.

Allan

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:100:

Apparently change requires forced destruction and elimination of the old system by gov mandate.

I don’t understand the false urgency.

Let it get a soft landing like typewriters.

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Both mandates are obnoxious.

Phase it out with no deadline and a basic mandate that rural users have a means to call… especially emergency services.

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Before landlines (and electric power) existed utility companies had not right to install power poles on sidewalks nor to command a right of way for utility lines.
The value of those rights of way is, I dunno, hundreds of billions of dollars in today’s terms.

Rightly or wrongly a mandate to provide utilities to rural customers was a condition of receiving those very valuable rights-of-way.

Love it or hate it, the mandates to provide rural service once made sense in a way.
Those mandates no longer make sense. It is good they are going away.

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The electrification of the rural areas were done by the government, as private companies chose not to, due to the lack of acceptable profits. There were many local “battles” of what was more efficient, a public or private electricity system. Companies banded together to claim they were more efficient, and cheaper.
They created “studies” that made false claims, many times paying off credible experts to lie.

They were successful in their efforts, as today most electrical systems are for profit entities.

Broadband will only come to rural areas if there is money to be made, or if they are forced to, or ran by public entities.

Sad but true.

I suppose one could argue that those who choose to live in rural areas know what amenities they are foregoing but personally I think the government needs to do more to get fiber to all rural areas.

I upgraded to fiber several months ago and that along with my bidet was life changing :grinning::grinning::grinning:

I too got fiber about 6 months ago.

And yes, Bidets are one of the best things invented. Very happy bum!

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:raised_hand:

72mpbs DSL connection.

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If you build your home off grid, or buy one off grid,
you forgo all rights to complain about corporations and profits when they don’t
kow tow to you and hook you up for free.

Fortunately most rural folks are not spoiled brats that way, but a few still are.

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I’m not off grid and by no means out in the boonies. However, we eill be on the bottom of the list to get anything.

But that’s OK. Keep requiring the majority of things be done online etc. and screw the people who do not have that ability.

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I built way out in the boondocks. The only utility is electric, provided by a rural co-op. There is no landline service (copper or fiber) near my property. Cellphone service is good due to the particular location of my property. Satellite internet.

But I would never expect anybody to maintain an expensive and outdated infrastructure for my sake. And the copper that is tied up in that infrastructure is badly needed for other uses.

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I am curious. Is it Starlink?

Not yet anyhow.

I understand that we should be in the service area later this year.

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