WuWei
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Not in Saudi Arabia he’s not.
Why are you so emotional?
He could have entered Saudi Arabia as a moon-man in the eyes of the U.S government he is an American citizen.
Saudi Arabia doesn’t dictate who is and isn’t a U.S citizen.
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Saudi Arabia doesn’t dictate who America views as an American citizen.
When did the U.S government denounce his citizenship?
The State Department is pretty clear that it is their “policy to intervene on behalf of all U.S. citizens and U.S. non-citizen nationals, and make representations on their behalf, regardless of dual national status.”
Yes, they also state that dual citizenship can result in difficulties with the other country attempting to assert its claim without interference, but that the department will still follow the same procedures as they would with any other citizen.
So just like any other U.S. citizen being held in another country, it will come down to specifics of the situation to determine how we ultimately proceed… and no, I don’t think the U.S. goes around saving every idiot who gets arrested abroad.
It doesn’t really matter what Saudi think, American citizenship is issued by America and no one else unless he denounced his citizenship or the court revoked his citizenship he is an American citizen.
simply because he travel under a different passport doesn’t negate this.
Do you think citizenship is some-type of hat you can take on and off?
your either a citizen or not.
WuWei
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So what are you complaining about?
WuWei
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Calm down, you’re all over the page. Hysterics are not going to help Mr. Fitaihi.
Nothing is going to help Mr. Fitaihi because State Department doesn’t have the balls to stand up to the Saudis.
WuWei
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You being hysterical isn’t going to change that either. Go for a walk in public in your sandals. Play a video game with your cap turned around backwards. Relax.
Trumpism is always about punching down.
I wonder if the outrage of “he’s a US citizen” would be the same if Obama had drone striked him instead.
Grande
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You quote from the FAM (Foreign Affairs Manual).
This is what the relevant section says in full.
7 FAM 086 CONSULAR PROTECTION AND SERVICES AND DUAL NATIONALITY
(CT:CON-427; 12-10-2012)
a. The Vienna Convention on Consular Relations (VCCR), and most bilateral consular conventions and other consular agreements do not address the issue of dual nationality or how dual nationality affects the provision of consular services and protection to dual nationals. It is the Department’s policy to intervene on behalf of all U.S. citizens and U.S. noncitizen nationals, and make representations on their behalf, regardless of dual national status. While you should attempt to provide consular protection and services in accordance with this policy to the fullest extent permitted by the host country, you should make it clear to dual nationals that your ability to assist them may be limited.
b. It is a generally recognized rule, often regarded as a rule of international law, that when a person who is a dual national is residing in either of the countries of nationality, the person owes paramount allegiance to that country, and that country has the right to assert its claim without interference from the other country. Thus, in the absence of agreements to the contrary between the United States and the country of second nationality, if a dual national encounters difficulties in the country of the second nationality while residing there, the U.S. government’s representations on that person’s behalf may or may not be accepted.
DUAL NATIONALITY AND ARREST CASES
See 7 FAM 416.3; 7 FAM 416.3-1 Dual National Arrestees In The Non-U.S. Country Of Nationality
c. Dual nationals traveling abroad on a passport of their other country of nationality (or even on a U.S. passport in the absence of an express agreement between the United States and the other country) may find that the host country treats them as a national of only that country and does not recognize the United States as a country entitled to provide consular services. Nonetheless, you should provide consular services to the fullest extent permitted by the host country.
Last line is the kicker. If the Saudis say “piss off he’s ours”, there is nothing the US can do.
Really? That seems rash. Maybe we should start slow, by first suggesting that the Trump crime family pull its collective nose and mouth out of the Saudi crown prince’s ass.
