zantax
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Kind of important to find a law they broke if they are going to be charged.
IBC
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You must mistake me for someone who’s at all interested in going down the “bare legality” road.
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So revolutionary lynching?
zantax
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Maybe because you are in a thread which is discussing the legality of the situation.
IBC
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No. I’m addressing the sentiment in the OP. Give these poor trainees mercy. Don’t destroy their lives.
There’s always an excuse, or reason to somehow reduce the moral culpability of the police state. Always some reason for a stance of mercy, or being understanding, or giving bad actors a break. Enough is enough. Did these trainees show George Floyd mercy? Were they concerned about whether or not his life was being destroyed…permanently? Did they give Floyd a break? Or did they let their training officer break his neck? Spare me the cries for mercy, they sure didn’t hear Floyd’s.
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Don’t get me wrong. I would love to see these scumbags sitting in a cell right next Chauvin’s. In general population in a majority black prison.
But the law seems like the law in this case. What else can be done without some sort of revolutionary Justice?
That’s a road I do not want to go down.
tnt
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I think you are giving this too much weight.
They were new cops.
In a way it makes that son of a botch even worse - ■■■■■■■■■■■■ showing off for the new guys. What a piece of ■■■■■
It might get them some leniency but the fact remains, they are cops.
You also could argue - not form a legal sense, but a human sense - they should have been MORE eager to do the right thing here. They had not been jaded by years on the job.
If the academy taught them to step the ■■■■ up and do the right thing…no matter WHO is ■■■■■■■ up…and they couldn’t remember that a week or two after graduation…well…
And if they weren’t taught that, then that’s a problem too.
tnt
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I’m not sure it’s the police state that is getting protected here. I think it’s more the individuals that are being excused.
IBC
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I think I’ve made it pretty clear that I’m not speaking to the legalities. I’m speaking to the abhorrent sentiment in the OP. A sentiment that is repeatedly expressed every time these events occur. You all can discuss the legalities and what may or not be the applicable statute. Knock yourselves out. I’m tired of the constant posture of excusing.
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IBC
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Individuals present, on site, and complicit during the actions of the police state.
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Zodiac
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It doesn’t change my opinion of what the officers chose to do because it underlines one of the fundamental problems being protested. Officers are more scared intervening with a fellow cop’s unlawful actions than the consequences of not upholding the law and the principle that they have a lawful duty to protect those in custody.
From the article: “What is my client supposed to do other than follow what the training officer said?”
Have the courage and decency to stand up to unlawful acts by cops. Tell him to get off and administer aid on a clearly unconscious person. Do something else besides be a witness to an act that they are claiming they knew at the time was not right. They felt the consequences of insubordination out weighed allowing the training officer to murder Floyd. At least they would have a more solid defense and wouldn’t have been made complicit in the murder.
they will be found as guilty as Scott Peterson.
Evidence against him sucked. Any neutral party would have said the state did not prove the case.
But…
A Pregnant woman was brutally killed, someone had to pay for it
And…
he was an ■■■■■■■ who probably (more likely than not—in fact, almost undoubtedly) did do it. He was made to pay regardless of the poor case, the poor prosecution, and the fact that based on the case he should not have been convicted.
No-one is suggesting any excusing of the cop who did the killing. Nobody is suggesting any mercy on the cop who was there that was not a trainee. He definitively should have known better. He in my opinion was an accomplice.
These trainees, were trainees. And I’ll say it again…
all of this bravado about “what I would have done” and what “they should have done” is meaningless drivel. I have served. so have others. I can say this clearly and without even an ounce of doubt. Had I just graduated BCT, and had a DI in AIT demonstrating a choke hold on someone (anyone), and that person was begging for air, I would assume the DI knew what they were doing. I’m a trainee, I don’t know anything, he must know what he’s doing. There’s another experienced officer here, he must know, this must be normal. Even after the person passed out I would have to assume the DI knew what he was doing. If he didn’t, wouldn’t the other experienced officer intervene? He is training me, he has to know what he’s doing, lf he doesn’t… what the ■■■■ am I doing here?
I wouldn’t be an accomplice, I would be a witness. A soldier who has completed my initial training, learned about the code of conduct, sworn my oaths, and a witness, not an accomplice.
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Were the people videoing concerned for his life. As a passerby do we have an obligation to intervene at somepoint?
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They hadn’t completed training. Not even close. Its possible they hadn’t even been to the academy yet. Every state does things a little different so what happens in my state may not happen in Minnesota but in my state its very common to hit the streets for some of your field training before you go to an academy. It comes down to timing as the academy may not start for 2 months but we want to hire you now so that you’ll take the job rather than have you change your mind in the 2 months or hire on with someone else. When they do hit the streets they basically are supposed to watch as their trainer does the job and do whatever he says.
Regardless, once you finish academy training you go into whats called field training. This is 17 weeks minimum at my PD and goes longer in same places. First week or two you once again just watch your field trainer and do what he says as you learn how.
I feel awful for the two new guys because there is no way they had any idea what to do or how do it.
I hope they are exonerated because they got screwed. Chauvin deserves to go down but they don’t.
tnt
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That’s helpful information. Thanks.
Just to expound. When I went the academy I was literally the only person in my academy class who hadn’t done time on the street yet. Everyone else had done at least a month and some up to 3 months under the eyes of a training officer. The only reason I hadn’t done in was that I was a last minute emergency hire due to an unexpected vacancy. They called and offered me the job but said I had to start in less than a week at the academy.
You’ve obviously never worked with basic training recruits.
Try it for a day and come back and tell me “they are professional soldiers! They’ve been through the training!”
For all those who refused to acknowledge that institutional behaviour is real. This revalation is the canary in coal mine.
Now I get why Chauvin was so eager to murder Mr. Floyd.
He was training, TRAINING!!!
Man I thought it couldn’t get worse.
Still no excuse though they passed the academy right?
Then again maybe if they train this in the PD, then surely it is trained at the academy too right?
The way to get a good person involved in others bad doings is, to get them directly involved in a murder, maybe that was the lesson.
Chauvin certainly acted like he had some agenda on his mind besides just the murder.
He was training also, now I get it.
I’m gonna’ be sick.
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