Breaking: Mass shooting in Jacksonville, Florida

WildRose · 2018-08-28T02:23:15.461Z

You have absolutely no idea how the military trains. Ambushes start fights, they don’t finish them.

WildRose · 2018-08-28T02:24:23.309Z

WuWei:

11 were shot. It counts.

It doesn’t count as a massacre.

Not according to how the FBI defines them. 4 or more dead in a single incident.

WildRose · 2018-08-28T02:26:41.118Z

From your own article.

Katz legally purchased his firearms — .45 caliber and 9mm handguns — in Baltimore, Maryland, Jacksonville Sheriff Mike Williams told reporters. He bought them within the past month from a licensed dealer, officials said.

Once again the gov’t failed to do it’s duty. This guy should have never been able to legally put his hands on a gun.

Samm · 2018-08-28T07:03:22.568Z

WildRose:

From your own article.

Katz legally purchased his firearms — .45 caliber and 9mm handguns — in Baltimore, Maryland, Jacksonville Sheriff Mike Williams told reporters. He bought them within the past month from a licensed dealer, officials said.

Once again the gov’t failed to do it’s duty. This guy should have never been able to legally put his hands on a gun.

Unless the law is changed to require the mental health profession to report such aberrant mentality to the FBI, there is not much the government can do to enforce that provision of the law. And if that were to happen, it’s likely that the mental health profession would sue and I would predict that the SCOTUS would find such a law to be unconstitutional.

WildRose · 2018-08-28T07:04:39.556Z

If the prior committals were court ordered he should have been rendered legally ineligible.

We’ll see how much more comes out as the details are uncovered.

tnt · 2018-08-28T10:50:29.697Z

Do you have a link?

According to wiki we’re at 11.96 per 100,000. Mexico is 7.64 Ukraine is 1.36. Russia isn’t on this list for some reason.

en.wikipedia.org

List of countries by firearm-related death rate

This is a historical list of countries by firearm-related death rate per 100,000 population in the listed year. Homicide figures may include justifiable homicides along with criminal homicides, depending upon jurisdiction and reporting standards. Not included are homicides, suicides, accidental deaths, or justifiable deaths by any means other than by firearm. Based upon various metrics alongside calculations over the course of multiple years, Singapore has the lowest firearm-related death rat...

CaughtInTheMiddle · 2018-08-28T10:57:32.899Z

more guns than people in the US.

why are any of us surprised by a firearm homicide every 54 minutes?

WildRose · 2018-08-28T15:42:56.947Z

tnt:

Do you have a link?

According to wiki we’re at 11.96 per 100,000. Mexico is 7.64 Ukraine is 1.36. Russia isn’t on this list for some reason.
List of countries by firearm-related death rate - Wikipedia

“Firearm related deaths” includes suicides and justifiable homicides along with murder.

nationmaster.com

Countries Compared by Crime > Violent crime > Murder rate....

Intentional homicide, number and rate per 100,000 population.

Mexico’s per capita homicie rate is about 4x that of the US.

WuWei · 2018-08-28T23:35:02.402Z

WildRose:

Gun bans have never solved anything in this country and never will. The criminals aren’t going to give theirs up and they are only empowered further when the law abiding do.

Was this venue a gun free zone?

WuWei · 2018-08-28T23:36:18.947Z

WildRose:

Once again the gov’t failed to do it’s duty. This guy should have never been able to legally put his hands on a gun.

Agreed. He shouldn’t have. Be interesting to see what failed.

WuWei · 2018-08-28T23:37:40.219Z

WildRose:

Not according to how the FBI defines them. 4 or more dead in a single incident.

Then they’re stupid. I could shoot 100 and if nobody dies it’s not a mass shooting?

WuWei · 2018-08-28T23:38:30.357Z

Go turn yours in then.

WuWei · 2018-08-28T23:39:35.638Z

They counted suicides and police shootings again, didn’t they?

Samm · 2018-08-29T06:56:47.565Z

WuWei:

WildRose:

Not according to how the FBI defines them. 4 or more dead in a single incident.

Then they’re stupid. I could shoot 100 and if nobody dies it’s not a mass shooting?

Mass shooting yes; mass murder no.

WuWei · 2018-08-29T11:24:20.734Z

Which is exactly what I said.

Samm · 2018-08-29T19:34:42.004Z

WuWei:

Which is exactly what I said.

No … you asked a question. I answered it.

Rose posted with regard to mass murders, you queried with regard to mass shootings.

CaughtInTheMiddle · 2018-08-29T20:19:48.652Z

Mass Shooting
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It never ends.

WildRose · 2018-08-30T02:53:16.915Z

WuWei:

WildRose:

Gun bans have never solved anything in this country and never will. The criminals aren’t going to give theirs up and they are only empowered further when the law abiding do.

Was this venue a gun free zone?

Haven’t heard but if I had to guess I’d say most likely. It certainly isn’t a venue where on would be expecting armed resistance.

WildRose · 2018-08-30T02:53:39.806Z

WuWei:

WildRose:

Not according to how the FBI defines them. 4 or more dead in a single incident.

Then they’re stupid. I could shoot 100 and if nobody dies it’s not a mass shooting?

Take it up with them.

WildRose · 2018-08-30T02:55:29.083Z

Samm:

WuWei:

WildRose:

Not according to how the FBI defines them. 4 or more dead in a single incident.

Then they’re stupid. I could shoot 100 and if nobody dies it’s not a mass shooting?

Mass shooting yes; mass murder no.

Time

Why the FBI Report That Mass Shootings Are Up Can Be Misleading

While 'active shooter' incidents appear to be on the rise in the U.S., mass shootings do not

Active shooter situation vs mass shooting.