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Commuter trains work in NYC
They sorta almost work in Philadelphia.
Commute by subway works in DC.

In any case a credit neutral law would drive up demand for ALL ICE alternatives making mass transit one of the “choosable” options. Mandating EVs says “Don’t switch to mass transit and don’t use carbon offsets. You must switch to EVs. I am the boss and I have decided for each and every one of you.”

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Sure. The US doesn’t have the infrastructure and the tech isn’t there yet.

Nothing wrong with setting goals and working toward them though.

A lot can change in ten years if we honestly start working on it now.

For example my office space is working on putting in charging stations. When that happens I could use an EV. Not for family trips but for my work day.

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I’m not an expert obviously but I think I’m the future if there is a less demand for gasoline they would just divert the byproduct distillation to other products.

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You use it first…

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Well a carbon neutral law (not one mandating EVs as the one and only solution) would also leave room for alcohol as fuel or fuel additive.

  • Imagine all those wood chip that are currently left to rot and turn into methane instead being repurposed as fuel or a fuel additive.
  • Whoops, alcohol from wood chips is not EVs, They are verboten. Must be eliminated. DC thought of something else first.
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Are you going to have electric long haulers? Airplanes? Force people to us electric heat instead of cheap LP?

Remember gasoline is one of byproducts making diesel and jet fuel. Not to mention plastics you use in your home. Plastics that are used in 3D printers etc.

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And what product would that be?

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I’m not the one saying it’s a better solution that EV.

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And since they’re going to release CO2’s anyway.

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Whichever are needed.

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:dart: :dart: :dart:

There are many neutral ways to reduce carbon use.
If we need to reduce carbon government can chose one of those.

Mandating EVs is not a neutral solution.
It bpicks EVS as the winning method and all other methods are either disallowe or put at a severe disadvantage.

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Electric long haulers will happen someday. Driverless eventually too.

Airplanes? Seems hard to imagine that. But I don’t know anything about it.

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But it’s still going to put out carbon/CO2’s

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Precisely…thus limiting the possibilities of finding a real solution.

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That is not all true

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If demand for gas goes down, less oil will be processed for gas. Yes oil will still be processed for other items and yes those items prices will go up as less oil
Is proceeded.

Maybe some one from the oil industry can weigh on on this. I don’t know that much about it. But it stands to reason that if we need less gas less oil will be processed.

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They require some maintenance but at the pizza joint down the street, the three charging stations just sit there. You drive up and plug in. No buildings, no attendants, very little signage, mo extra asphalt.

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I think you are assuming oil is never just refined to make gas. I don’t think that is true. Demand is such that they have to refine to make the by product- gas- and then figure out what to do with the first product of refining.

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…he said, blithely hand-waving the decades of advantage already provided to big oil, including the enormous social costs for which they will never be called to account.

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Yeah, the government has been picking the car industry as the winne for over a century.

Now it’s not fair play…/