Boebert and Omar/Terrorist with Backpack Question

[TheDoctorIsIn]

@Oryx

Let’s be clear: The problem isn’t that Omar criticized Israeli policies. The problem is her comments were anti-Semitic. Accusing Jews of having allegiance to a foreign government has long been a vile anti-Semitic slur used to harass, marginalize and persecute the Jewish people for centuries.

She didn’t accuse Jews of having allegiance to a foreign government.

She accused Congress of having allegiance to a foreign government.

The loudest pro-Israel voices in Congress often come from evangelical Christians. The whole Jesus’s landing strip thing.

[TheDoctorIsIn]

@zantax

That isn’t moving anything, I initially said she supports terrorist groups, that is merely another example.

“Another”?

CAIR isn’t a terrorist group, and you didn’t provide any examples whatsoever. All you did was bluster about how it was “common knowledge.”

[Oryx]

@toreyj01

Nowhere in that statement does it seem she said that, though.

When she says that she doesn’t think congresspeople should swear allegiance to Israel, isn’t she implying that some have or at least have pressured her to do so?

[zantax]

@TheDoctorIsIn

@zantax

That isn’t moving anything, I initially said she supports terrorist groups, that is merely another example.

“Another”?

CAIR isn’t a terrorist group, and you didn’t provide any examples whatsoever. All you did was bluster about how it was “common knowledge.”

Been over these things many times here, not going to bother to rehash for people who deny CAIR’s involvement with terrorist groups.

[Oryx]

@TheDoctorIsIn

She didn’t accuse Jews of having allegiance to a foreign government.

She accused Congress of having allegiance to a foreign government.

Well, she was nonspecific.

[TheDoctorIsIn]

@zantax

Been over these things many times here, not going to bother to rehash for people who deny CAIR’s involvement with terrorist groups.

This is moving the goalposts.

[zantax]

@TheDoctorIsIn

@zantax

Been over these things many times here, not going to bother to rehash for people who deny CAIR’s involvement with terrorist groups.

This is moving the goalposts.

No it isn’t, Cair works with terrorists, Omar helps them raise money to work with terrorists.

[toreyj01]

@Oryx

@toreyj01

Nowhere in that statement does it seem she said that, though.

When she says that she doesn’t think congresspeople should swear allegiance to Israel, isn’t she implying that some have or at least have pressured her to do so?

You just said the right word, imply. And I sometimes think folks reach when considering her, because she is a Muslim and we are talking about Israel. And that goes for Congress as well, it seems you have to toe the line or face the consequences.

This is another country we are talking about, and the GOP is always talking about “America First!!!”. Here is a Congresswoman saying exactly that and being called out for it, which makes little sense. All the while we have the former President sort of defending dudes at a rally chanting “Jews will not replace us!”, and some folks here trying to rationalize that.

Doesn’t make sense!

[TheDoctorIsIn]

@Oryx

Well, she was nonspecific.

Well, it’s pretty clear that she was referring to members of Congress. Whether her comments were directed only at Jewish members of Congress, or Congress as a whole wasn’t specified - but since she didn’t make any statement suggesting she limited her comments to Jews in Congress, I think the assumption has to be that it was referring to Congress as a whole.

Particularly since as a whole, most of the members of Congress in Israel’s pocket are Christian, not Jewish.

[toreyj01]

@TheDoctorIsIn

@Oryx

Well, she was nonspecific.

Well, it’s pretty clear that she was referring to members of Congress. Whether her comments were directed only at Jewish members of Congress, or Congress as a whole wasn’t specified - but since she didn’t make any statement suggesting she limited her comments to Jews in Congress, I think the assumption has to be that it was referring to Congress as a whole.

Particularly since as a whole, most of the members of Congress in Israel’s pocket are Christian, not Jewish.

Precisely this.

[hwyflier]

@toreyj01

This is another country we are talking about, and the GOP is always talking about “America First!!!”. Here is a Congresswoman saying exactly that and being called out for it, which makes little sense. All the while we have the former President sort of defending dudes at a rally chanting “Jews will not replace us!”, and some folks here trying to rationalize that.

Doesn’t make sense!

The people screaming “anti-semite” at Omar are the same who clapped loudest for Trump’s speech at Aipac or when he says this last month:

[Oryx]

@toreyj01

You just said the right word, imply.

@TheDoctorIsIn

Well, it’s pretty clear that she was referring to members of Congress.

You might be right, and I’m making assumptions about what she meant. But keep in mind that she’s been accused of anti-Semitism for years, it goes way beyond these two statements. Also keep in mind that she’s using a tried-and-true anti-Semitic trope, or at least edging up to it with seemingly no self-awareness of how people might interpret it. Maybe she meant Congress in general, but given her history, I doubt it.

Ilhan Omar Has a Problem With Jews

[Oryx]

@hwyflier

The people screaming “anti-semite” at Omar are the same who clapped loudest for Trump’s speech at Aipac or when he says this last month:

I think she’s anti-Semitic and I also think Trump is a ■■■■■■■■■■ who should be on trial right now for conspiracy to commit election fraud.

[TheDoctorIsIn]

@Oryx

You might be right, and I’m making assumptions about what she meant. But keep in mind that she’s been accused of anti-Semitism for years, it goes way beyond these two statements.

That’s the thing about bad faith accusations - quantity doesn’t mean anything.

[Oryx]

@TheDoctorIsIn

That’s the thing about bad faith accusations - quantity doesn’t mean anything.

I see no evidence that many of these accusations were made in bad faith.

[TheDoctorIsIn]

@Oryx

I see no evidence that many of these accusations were made in bad faith.

I’ve seen no evidence that she’s ever made any statements that could rationally be interpreted to be anti-Semitic. So I don’t know what to tell you.

[Oryx]

@TheDoctorIsIn

I’ve seen no evidence that she’s ever made any statements that could rationally be interpreted to be anti-Semitic . So I don’t know what to tell you.

Did you read the AJC article I posted? The opinion that Omar has made anti-Semitic statements is not from the fringe, or made up by right-wing activists out to smear her. For example, from the article:

Some of the statements Tapper was alluding to came just three weeks ago, when Omar put the U.S., Israel, Hamas, and the Taliban in the same boat. It prompted 12 Jewish members of Congress, all from her party (presumably her missing “partners in justice”), to condemn her comments, calling them “offensive” and “misguided.”

[TheDoctorIsIn]

@Oryx

Did you read the AJC article I posted? The opinion that Omar has made anti-Semitic statements is not from the fringe, or made up by right-wing activists out to smear her. For example, from the article:

Yes, I read it. It’s wrong.

Saying mean things about Israel isn’t itself anti-Semitic. Period.

Israel is a political state. Judaism is a religion, a culture and (in a way) an ethnicity. The desire to conflate the two is a political goal.

This is what I mean by bad faith.

[TheDoctorIsIn]

@Oryx

…when Omar put the U.S., Israel, Hamas, and the Taliban in the same boat.

That’s not an anti-Semitic statement.

[W_and_C]

She’s an obvious Anti-Semite, there is zero doubt to that matter; she even has an award to show for it

Ilhan Omar voted 2019's antisemite of the year

https://twitter.com/StopAntisemites/status/1214187877564928000?s=20