BLM's grant of grazing permit to Hammond Ranches Inc., issued by then Secretary of the Interior Zinke on his last day in office is revoked

mobulis · 2019-12-22T15:24:38.415Z

WuWei:

Safiel:

WuWei:

Rosa Parks, get your ass in the back of the bus, the judge king has ruled. Samuel Adams, don’t touch that tea! Sit ins in universities, you’re trespassing.

There is a significant difference. Rosa Parks was protesting for civil rights. And she and other civil rights protesters had the SUPPORT of the Federal Government. It was only the States and local governments they were fighting. She had the FBI behind her, not in her face.

The Hammonds and the Bundys were fighting over a PRIVILEGE, that of grazing on Federal land.

The situations are rather dissimilar.

The same FBI digging up dirt on the leader and members of the movement?

So it’s ok if I do it with the central government against the state, but not the other way around or against them both?

PRIVILEGE? No. And the Hammonds weren’t fighting over grazing. Like I said, you don’t know this story.

You defaulted to “GOVERNMENT RIGHT”.

Did he own the property he grazed his cattle on?

DMK · 2019-12-22T16:09:29.652Z

WuWei:

Every time I find a new calf or gaze across a herd while horseback, I rarely can think of better moments. ■■■■ the government and ■■■■ anyone who wants to destroy that on some altar of wanting to sit there on their tricycle mouth-breathing at turtles while we feed the world.

I envy you for being able to sit on horseback and gaze across a herd. What an incredible experience.

Common sense is lost on the tricycle riding mouth breathers. Food is magical. It just is and always will be plentiful. Until it isn’t and prices rise. Then there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Remember when the libs were aghast that the price of avocados might go up because of Trump’s proposed tariffs on Mexico?

When it hits them in the pocket, they suddenly have a come to Jesus moment.

DMK · 2019-12-22T16:13:36.366Z

FloridaYankee:

The government is a thorn in the side of every business person in America. Most choose not to take the course most likely to harm themselves.

And that is a dangerous, sheep like way of thinking. In doing so, you are telling the government you work for them. They do not work for you. You give power away that they should never have.

SixFoot · 2019-12-22T16:42:10.959Z

WuWei:

Interesting the difference between the attitudes about destroying The Noble Red Man’s culture as opposed to that of ranchers.

In one case it is genocide and in the other ■■■■■ them! Get them out of there so I can ride my tricycle to see the turtles!”

Liberals don’t care about nature or the environment. They care about their own little bubble.

DMK · 2019-12-22T16:52:24.362Z

SixFoot:

Liberals don’t care about nature or the environment. They care about their own little bubble.

Quite true. They are very confusing.

SixFoot · 2019-12-22T16:54:04.789Z

They don’t confuse me. I was a 12 year old once too.

hwyflier · 2019-12-22T17:13:19.656Z

WuWei:

Can they buy what’s not for sale?

I couldn’t yet afford the land I really wanted.

So I moved and bought different land.

hwyflier · 2019-12-22T17:14:49.886Z

DMK:

When it hits them in the pocket, they suddenly have a come to Jesus moment.

and you think that come to jesus moment is “Wow, avacados have gone up, we better get the Bundy’s more ■■■■ for free”?

FloridaYankee · 2019-12-22T17:17:47.469Z

DMK:

FloridaYankee:

The government is a thorn in the side of every business person in America. Most choose not to take the course most likely to harm themselves.

And that is a dangerous, sheep like way of thinking. In doing so, you are telling the government you work for them. They do not work for you. You give power away that they should never have.

Always take the course most likely to hurt your livelihood, got it.

PurpnGold · 2019-12-22T17:30:04.708Z

SixFoot:

Liberals don’t care about nature or the environment. They care about their own little bubble.

This is the exact opposite of what libs think…

How can Libs be environmentalists nuts and not care about the environment

LucyLou · 2019-12-22T17:31:11.800Z

Safiel:

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The case name is Western Watersheds Project, Center for Biological Diversity and WildEarth Guardians, Plaintiffs v David Bernhardt, Secretary of the Interior, Jeffrey Rose, Burns District Bureau of Land Management and Bureau of Land Management, Defendants. Presiding Judge was United States District Judge Michael H. Simon of the District of Oregon.

The Hammonds, as you may remember, were the jackasses who set multiple fires to public lands and it was their imprisonment that set off the Bundy’s and the siege. They may have been pardoned by Donald Trump, but all a pardon is is an act of grace. It may make the punishment go away, it may make the conviction go away, but it does NOT make the past go away.

And the past is quite clear. The Hammonds abused their grazing permits, set fire to public lands and callously endangered human life. They have no business every setting foot on BLM land again, let alone having their damn cattle graze.

But Zinke essentially gave them a permit, no questions asked, in an improper manner, on his last day in office.

In this case, the Judge revoked the grant of the permit under the Administrative Procedures Act for violation of procedure in granting this permit.

While the Hammonds can still apply in the normal way, they must go through the full process, including public comment and with their history, a permit grant is unlikely and any permits available would likely to to ranchers without a negative history.

This case was correctly decided.

Good call. Thanks for posting this.

Safiel · 2019-12-22T17:35:20.067Z

Much of this sentiment is born out of long standing resentment. The federal government owns 52.9% of the land in Oregon. 84.9% of Nevada. 64.9% of Utah.

The western States were creations of the federal government. Created from the southern portion of the Oregon Country, the western portion of the Louisiana Purchase, the Mexican Cession and the Gadsden Purchase. The land that the federal government never sold or ceded is the exclusive PROPERTY of the federal government.

There was a period of total Republican control under President’s G.W. Bush and Trump. Neither time did the federal government SELL that land, though the Republicans had the power to do so.

I suggest if Republicans regain power, that you convince them to SELL all of that BLM land.

But unless and until it is sold, it is the property of the federal government and they exclusively get to make the rules.

Guilds · 2019-12-22T18:08:06.912Z

Thank you for using basic common sense, based on facts and reason.

Cynic · 2019-12-22T18:20:28.719Z

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WuWei · 2019-12-22T18:47:55.437Z

Safiel:

But unless and until it is sold, it is the property of the federal government and they exclusively get to make the rules.

Of the people, by the people, for the people, neh @Safiel ?

Trying to make it partisan?

RTchoke · 2019-12-22T18:48:06.009Z

Classy. Your side should keep preaching from that pulpit about how conservatives need to be better Christians.

Cynic · 2019-12-22T19:17:19.377Z

Second amendment solutions.

RTchoke · 2019-12-22T19:24:19.659Z

Cynic:

Second amendment solutions.

Apparently so.

“This is where the Second Amendment comes in, quite frankly. Because you know, what if the president was to ignore the courts? What would you do? What would we do?” - Rep. Tom Suozzi, D-N.Y.

Safiel · 2019-12-22T19:25:54.930Z

WuWei:

Safiel:

But unless and until it is sold, it is the property of the federal government and they exclusively get to make the rules.

Of the people, by the people, for the people, neh @Safiel ?

Trying to make it partisan?

The PEOPLE, through their ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES and ELECTED PRESIDENTS have chosen NOT to sell that land. How much ******* clearer do I have to make this point.

I am not making anything partisan. Just pointing out that the Republican Party, as a whole, is not in agreement with you on this issue.

I am just pointing out facts, nothing more.

WuWei · 2019-12-22T19:27:57.651Z

Safiel:

WuWei:

Safiel:

But unless and until it is sold, it is the property of the federal government and they exclusively get to make the rules.

Of the people, by the people, for the people, neh @Safiel ?

Trying to make it partisan?

The PEOPLE, through their ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES and ELECTED PRESIDENTS have chosen NOT to sell that land. How much ******* clearer do I have to make this point.

I am not making anything partisan. Just pointing out that the Republican Party, as a whole, is not in agreement with you on this issue.

I am just pointing out facts, nothing more.

Lashing out. Good little subject, defaulting to centgov is correct. Why? Because it’s centgov!