Bipartisanship in the senate

GrandWazoo · 2018-07-12T21:54:48.363Z

Trump went out on a limb when he choose to invoke national security to justify tariffs. While it sends a message to the WH it will be interesting to see if they take it farther. It has been rumored that the WTC will take action and deem the tariffs illegal. Trump has already stated that he might cut ties with the WTO which I think is the brainchild of Steve Bannon.

bootz · 2018-07-12T22:31:04.437Z

I am a free trader and work in the steel business, heavily impacted by section 232 and bad for any consumer of steel products in America. That is why fabrication (jobs) are moving offshore.
On the other hand we have an 800 billion dollar trade deficit and are 20 trillion in debt. I have been to China many times and have seen firsthand what our good old boy corporate welfare club in Washington has done.
For many years the Democrats ran on tariffs and protection. Clinton did Nafta and started the process of admitting China to the WTO. Knowing full well the policies of the Chinese government.
I find it odd that Dems and Rinos stand together to protect corporate interests in military and trade policy just to resist Trump.

Drs · 2018-07-12T22:43:00.512Z

Yeah slapping tariffs on Canada as a national security threat was a joke.

21 trillion of debts is because people don’t want cuts and do not want to pay.

So they vote the folks that tell them they can have something for nothing like Trump did.

bootz · 2018-07-13T17:07:57.462Z

Actually, the destruction of manufacturing enterprises does threaten national security. That is why industrial complexes have been bombed during wars. While I acknowledge it does seem strange to place tariffs on allies for national security purposes. It is more strange that the senate voted on a bipartisan basis for anything. So the question arises, whose interests are they serving that would bring them together?

Drs · 2018-07-13T17:13:41.242Z

The American people as a whole?

conan · 2018-07-13T17:16:21.323Z

That is the role of he senate…as they should have a say.

Cratic3947 · 2018-07-13T17:22:56.166Z

They should write a treaty. That’s how they influence.

JayJay · 2018-07-13T18:10:15.652Z

Their bipartisan interest is reasserting themselves as one of the three coequal branches of government.

bootz · 2018-07-14T16:01:08.028Z

so, you think the senate serves the interest of the American people on a bipartisan basis.? do you think there should be any tariffs at all? what if the end result of Trumps actions deliver zero tariffs both ways?

bootz · 2018-07-14T16:01:38.744Z

why not on border issues?

bootz · 2018-07-14T16:02:51.187Z

The issue is that for years the senate has been a focal point of partisanship. why would they come together on only this issue

conan · 2018-07-14T16:04:01.971Z

Because the same special interest owns both parties.

Drs · 2018-07-14T16:17:03.485Z

The problem is Trump’s actions are not putting people in the mood to negotiate.

Trump like his base are ignorant. For instance Trump’s complaint about the Canadian dairy system and complaints about TPP. TPP actually had language to open up the Canadian market to more foreign dairy.

Impenitent · 2018-07-14T16:54:11.834Z

manufacturing unions chased manufacturing out of the country

bootz · 2018-07-14T18:10:09.833Z

the trade deficit is 800 billion plus per year. it would appear that every other nation benefits from trading with the United States. Perhaps there is more going on than meets the eye. Hence a bipartisan vote. what else do the parties agree upon?

bootz · 2018-07-14T18:12:33.583Z

The pro union democratic party is all of the sudden for free trade and open borders. Tax policy drove capital investment overseas much more than unions.

JayJay · 2018-07-14T19:31:07.981Z

To push back against Trump trying to accrue more power to the Executive.

bootz · 2018-07-14T19:48:49.796Z

and when it came to families at the border, they gave him the power and refused to act.

bootz · 2018-07-14T20:02:47.173Z

If you beliee that, then what do you think about higher minimum wages and the impact on automation in low skilled jobs.

Tilly_jow · 2018-07-14T21:21:11.127Z

Then why is German manufacturing so strong with it’s heavily unionized manufacturing industries?