Big Brother hell no, Dad!

Tilly_jow · 2018-09-08T05:44:57.034Z

bootz:

the issue then, is why they have nothing, not if they have nothing. so why do they have nothing and some so much.

Because they’re too poor and not deserving life in your republic.

bootz · 2018-09-08T05:50:46.341Z

why are they poor? why isn’t everyone poor?

Tilly_jow · 2018-09-08T05:58:10.894Z

bootz:

why are they poor? why isn’t everyone poor?

Have you ever asked them? What did they say?

bootz · 2018-09-08T06:00:50.395Z

depends on the person, for some it was prison, for some it was bad families, for some it was drugs.

but I wonder why you think they are poor. pretty sure you never asked.

Tilly_jow · 2018-09-08T06:08:18.420Z

bootz:

depends on the person, for some it was prison, for some it was bad families, for some it was drugs.

but I wonder why you think they are poor. pretty sure you never asked.

Since you’ve already missed the point, I’ll get on out of here. One can go around in circles with you for only so long.

Physics_Hunter · 2018-09-08T06:13:36.824Z

Enterprise.

mobulis · 2018-09-08T06:14:58.298Z

bootz:

do you really believe we all depend on other people? if you do then give examples. your examples will prove you wrong.

Do you grow your own food, build every material possession you have yourself?

Physics_Hunter · 2018-09-08T06:32:48.041Z

The question is: Do you create enough value to purchase what you do?

And the hamster spins his wheel…

mobulis · 2018-09-08T07:15:08.137Z

Physics_Hunter:

The question is: Do you create enough value to purchase what you do?

And the hamster spins his wheel…

Sorry that’s not the question.

Borgia · 2018-09-08T09:16:25.809Z

bootz:

exactly, and people that need a daddy are not free people.

Are you speaking about God? I agree.

Konssurvative1 · 2018-09-08T10:53:17.911Z

Hey I feel like if they don’t they are simply naive. It’s out there every day.

bootz · 2018-09-08T14:50:09.183Z

many people grow their own food or hunt it. as far as material possessions which are necessary to survive. you confuse the words depend and rely. Dependence is not a choice, reliance is. as the context is liberty versus slavery you must remember why Lincoln went to war.

mobulis · 2018-09-08T18:54:14.059Z

bootz:

many people grow their own food or hunt it. as far as material possessions which are necessary to survive. you confuse the words depend and rely. Dependence is not a choice, reliance is. as the context is liberty versus slavery you must remember why Lincoln went to war.

To preserve the union.

bootz · 2018-09-08T19:31:55.615Z

slavery anywhere endangered liberty everywhere!

Physics_Hunter · 2018-09-09T06:41:09.810Z

Spin your wheel hamster.

mobulis · 2018-09-09T08:47:03.347Z

Physics_Hunter:

Spin your wheel hamster.

And that’s STILL not the question.

Yakshi · 2018-09-09T10:01:09.701Z

What a weird, self-serving metaphor.

bootz · 2018-09-09T19:20:08.667Z

Yakshi,

I hope this link helps you.

Urban Dictionary

Urban Dictionary: hamster wheel

when someone just keeps running in circles (and making the same mistakes) in their life, instead of progressing

bootz · 2018-09-09T22:31:54.922Z

beautiful,

Spoken like Krugman himself.

did the OP say that dad was repressive? if so where?

now that you have expanded the context where does self reliance come into the equation. Where do you address liberty?

If I live with dad, and dad gets transferred he still takes care of me and I do not need to apply. He accepted my dependence when he chose to have me. He was not conscripted to support me. on the other hand a person dependent on government cannot transfer on a whim, they are less free than dad. they may not have the resources to relocate and find greater opportunity, they are oppressed by their economic position.

dad is free to move, financially independent and self sufficient and likely to put me through college.

dad can move to a neighborhood where healthy food is sold, schools are good, and the streets are safe.

government does not provide the freedom that self reliance does.

any difference?

bootz · 2018-09-10T00:11:27.492Z

Actually, I am saying that welfare in its many forms does not serve the interest of those that receive it any more than a slave that was provided for on a plantation. I am saying that during slavery it was illegal to educate slaves and in poor schools the needy do not get an education. I am saying that taxes reduce investment and therefore lessen to the opportunity to find meaningful work.

I am saying that government programs have created war zones full of crime and drugs and those that live there are trapped. I am saying the plight of the poor is intentional and oppressive.

I am hopeful though that people without transportation are free to travel.

and I am saying that oppression does not need to be codified. it just takes people like you thinking they are doing good.

I expected you would bring up child support, I wonder if you support free tuition for college