Biden wants to give out $450000 per person for separated illegal migrants

Striker840 · 2021-10-30T23:15:42.020Z

Jezcoe:

Striker840:

So by your immature response, you cannot answer the question. I asked what law, you said “The Constitution”. So, what amendment covers murder, should be easy for you since you are so smart.

I am not sure if this is a serious question or not.

But let us go with it.

The Constitution deals with the power of the State when it comes to the citizens.

The question at hand is was due process afforded and the judgement against the US government was in the negative. That the US government violated the rights of these people.

Now… when it comes to the Constitution, are you ready to argue that the US Government has the power to murder people without due process?

Nope, I just was trying to get a straight answer. NO laws were broken, BUT, possibly their rights.

In this entire thread you and others have been repeating ad nauseum that laws were broken. As you and King Arthur FINALLY admitted no laws were broken.

Now that we have that cleared up, we can address the core issue at hand. On this I doubt either of us will agree, as I believe this is entirely political. The individuals involved had to know that the kids they brought with wouldn’t be detained with the adults if apprehended. This entire thing was planned in order to game the system, and it worked, so far.

johnwk2 · 2021-10-30T23:31:23.659Z

kingarthur65:

WuWei:

Jezcoe:

They violated the constitution.

Which article?

From the Judges order denying motion to dismiss. Apparently, he thought there was a violation of constitutional rights.

At a minimum, the facts alleged are sufficient to show the government
conduct at issue “shocks the conscience” and violates Plaintiffs’ constitutional right to family integrity. Accordingly, Defendants’ motion to dismiss Plaintiffs’ due process claim is denied.

Where is the constitutional right found of a parent of a child who is an American citizen, and who breaks the law and is put in detention and the child is placed in the custody of a child protection agency, thereby violating the supposed right of “family integrity”

JWK
The Democrat Party Leadership, once an advocate for hard working American citizens and their families, has now GONE MAD

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johnwk2 · 2021-10-30T23:36:26.461Z

Striker840:

Jezcoe:

Striker840:

So by your immature response, you cannot answer the question. I asked what law, you said “The Constitution”. So, what amendment covers murder, should be easy for you since you are so smart.

I am not sure if this is a serious question or not.

But let us go with it.

The Constitution deals with the power of the State when it comes to the citizens.

The question at hand is was due process afforded and the judgement against the US government was in the negative. That the US government violated the rights of these people.

Now… when it comes to the Constitution, are you ready to argue that the US Government has the power to murder people without due process?

Nope, I just was trying to get a straight answer. NO laws were broken, BUT, possibly their rights.

In this entire thread you and others have been repeating ad nauseum that laws were broken. As you and King Arthur FINALLY admitted no laws were broken.

Now that we have that cleared up, we can address the core issue at hand. On this I doubt either of us will agree, as I believe this is entirely political. The individuals involved had to know that the kids they brought with wouldn’t be detained with the adults if apprehended. This entire thing was planned in order to game the system, and it worked, so far.

And, if anyone is to be sued and punished it should be the parents of the children! Not American Citizens who are about to be fleeced by a scam cooked up by the ACLU and the Biden Administration who is about to agree to put its hands in the pockets of American citizens and spread their hard earned wealth.

JWK

Jezcoe · 2021-10-30T23:40:32.338Z

Striker840:

Nope, I just was trying to get a straight answer. NO laws were broken, BUT, possibly their rights.

In this entire thread you and others have been repeating ad nauseum that laws were broken. As you and King Arthur FINALLY admitted no laws were broken.

Now that we have that cleared up, we can address the core issue at hand. On this I doubt either of us will agree, as I believe this is entirely political. The individuals involved had to know that the kids they brought with wouldn’t be detained with the adults if apprehended. This entire thing was planned in order to game the system, and it worked, so far.

Violating the Constitution is violating the law.

But let us address the idea that they came here explicitly to have their rights violated so there would be a big payout.

That is bonkers.

johnwk2 · 2021-10-30T23:40:59.950Z

Jezcoe:

Striker840:

Again, cite the law the government broke please.

The Constitution.

I see you still have not cited the statutory law prohibiting an illegal entrant with a child from being put in federal detention, and their child being placed in the custody of a child protection service.

I guess you were trying to fool us all the time.

JWK

johnwk2 · 2021-10-30T23:47:20.349Z

Jezcoe:

Violating the Constitution is violating the law.

The fact is, in 2018 the House of Representatives rejected passage of H.R. 6136, the Border Security and Immigration Reform Act, which included a provision to eliminate the existing and legal separation of families at the border.

Separating an illegal entrant parent and their child at the border is not violating the Constitution. Stop suggesting it is.

JWK

DougBH · 2021-10-30T23:52:23.912Z

There has not been a single case determining liability, or that if there is any liability that it should be in a significant amount. Leave that to a jury and see how they feel about awarding fortunes based on being here illegally, then settle based on the results of those trials. It’s not going to be any $400k.
Then get a Congress and President that is serious about removing illegals from this country instead of rewarding them.

PurpnGold · 2021-10-30T23:55:19.038Z

WuWei:

Like COVID case counts, a useless metric.

You said this and were serious

Jezcoe · 2021-10-30T23:56:09.669Z

johnwk2:

Jezcoe:

Striker840:

Again, cite the law the government broke please.

The Constitution.

I see you still have not cited the statutory law prohibiting an illegal entrant with a child from being put in federal detention, and their child being placed in the custody of a child protection service.

I guess you were trying to fool us all the time.

JWK

Quick question.

What was the judgement that caused the Trump administration to end the Child Separation policy?

What right did that judgement say that the US Government violated?

PurpnGold · 2021-10-30T23:57:04.603Z

Jezcoe:

But let us address the idea that they came here explicitly to have their rights violated so there would be a big payout.

They took advantage of Trumps incompetence? Seems to be on brand with other excuses.

Jezcoe · 2021-10-30T23:57:15.568Z

DougBH:

There has not been a single case determining liability, or that if there is any liability that it should be in a significant amount. Leave that to a jury and see how they feel about awarding fortunes based on being here illegally, then settle based on the results of those trials. It’s not going to be any $400k.
Then get a Congress and President that is serious about removing illegals from this country instead of rewarding them.

It would likely be higher.

There is a really good case that could be brought that this policy was done with malicious intent… because… well… it was.

DougBH · 2021-10-31T00:01:15.341Z

It was done with the intent to enforce our laws, something which a President takes an oath to do. Biden isn’t even trying.
Whether it would be higher or not is something we could determine with a few trials.

johnwk2 · 2021-10-31T00:01:48.201Z

Jezcoe:

But let us address the idea that they came here explicitly to have their rights violated so there would be a big payout.

That is bonkers.

They came here for free government cheese and to make their life better.

Once here, however, the ACLU formulated the tear jerking “family separation” argument, and in recent months, it is quite obvious, they colluded with the Biden Administration to concoct a monetary settlement for pain and suffering, rather than going into court and trying to convince American Citizens that these parents who violated our immigration law, which is the original sin, entitles each of them to be rewarded with a $450K payday taken from the pockets of American citizens.

JWK

The Democrat Party Leadership, once an advocate for hard working American citizens and their families, has now GONE MAD

Jezcoe · 2021-10-31T00:03:18.170Z

DougBH:

It was done with the intent to enforce our laws, something which a President takes an oath to do. Biden isn’t even trying.
Whether it would be higher or not is something we could determine with a few trials.

How many times does it have to be repeated?

The emails that they knew it was harmful to children are public. They knew that this policy was harming kids and they went ahead and expanded it.

That show malicious intent while violating rights.

That is why this costs a lot of money.

Jezcoe · 2021-10-31T00:04:52.940Z

johnwk2:

Jezcoe:

But let us address the idea that they came here explicitly to have their rights violated so there would be a big payout.

That is bonkers.

They came here for free government cheese and to make their life better.

Once here, however, the ACLU formulated the tear jerking “family separation” argument, and in recent months, it is quite obvious, they colluded with the Biden Administration to concoct a monetary settlement for pain and suffering, rather than going into court and trying to convince American Citizens that these parents who violated our immigration law, which is the original sin, entitles each of them to be rewarded with a $450K payday taken from the pockets of American citizens.

JWK

The Democrat Party Leadership, once an advocate for hard working American citizens and their families, has now GONE MAD

Look… I guess you just don’t accept the judgement that their rights were violated.

And that is cool I guess.

But the Trump administration did accept it.

So… here we are.

johnwk2 · 2021-10-31T00:06:26.934Z

Jezcoe:

The emails that they knew it was harmful to children are public.

And the children’s parents put them in harms way. Go sue the parents! There is nothing illegal or unconstitutional about separating an illegal entrant from their child and placing the parent in federal detention.

JWK

Jezcoe · 2021-10-31T00:07:15.047Z

johnwk2:

Jezcoe:

The emails that they knew it was harmful to children are public.

And the children’s parents put them in harms way. Go sue the parents! There is nothing illegal or unconstitutional about separating an illegal entrant from their child and placing the parent in federal detention.

JWK

That does not mean that the US Government gets to violate their rights.

WuWei · 2021-10-31T00:13:01.017Z

Where is it?

johnwk2 · 2021-10-31T00:14:30.515Z

Jezcoe:

johnwk2:

Jezcoe:

The emails that they knew it was harmful to children are public.

And the children’s parents put them in harms way. Go sue the parents! There is nothing illegal or unconstitutional about separating an illegal entrant from their child and placing the parent in federal detention.

JWK

That does not mean that the US Government gets to violate their rights.

There was no right of the children violated!

The fact is, in 2018 the House of Representatives rejected passage of H.R. 6136, the Border Security and Immigration Reform Act, which included a provision to eliminate the existing and legal separation of families at the border.

Separating an illegal entrant parent and their child at the border is not violating the rights of the children in question.

Aside from that I see you still have not cited the statutory law prohibiting an illegal entrant with a child from being put in federal detention, and their child being placed in the custody of a child protection service.

JWK

Jezcoe · 2021-10-31T00:15:42.837Z

johnwk2:

Jezcoe:

johnwk2:

Jezcoe:

The emails that they knew it was harmful to children are public.

And the children’s parents put them in harms way. Go sue the parents! There is nothing illegal or unconstitutional about separating an illegal entrant from their child and placing the parent in federal detention.

JWK

That does not mean that the US Government gets to violate their rights.

There was no right of the children violated!

The fact is, in 2018 the House of Representatives rejected passage of H.R. 6136, the Border Security and Immigration Reform Act, which included a provision to eliminate the existing and legal separation of families at the border.

Separating an illegal entrant parent and their child at the border is not violating the rights of the children in question.

Aside from that I see you still have not cited the statutory law prohibiting an illegal entrant with a child from being put in federal detention, and their child being placed in the custody of a child protection service.

JWK

You don’t accept the judgement.

I get it.

It is hard to admit that the Trump administration ■■■■■■ up this bad.

It’s okay.