Biden to ban Natural Gas Stoves

Can you tell me where AI getting is source?

Because I got

https://oregoncub.org/news/blog/busting-gas-myths-induction-stoves-vs-gas-stoves/2522/

And finally Induction vs Gas vs Electric Cooktops | P.C. Richard & Son

Ai is a good tool but you have to check it’s source.

LED’s is a great invention. During the course of my life building, making. using many different new products over those years, many items where duds. But then you have few things that was total game changer.

I managed to skip the whole cfl era because I buy necessities when they’re on sale, and I had a stockpile of incandescents that lasted me through to the LED era. Worked out pretty well for me :laughing:

Energy efficiency starts with the source, not with the user. You cited the facts regarding the transmission losses, but completely ignored the loss in the generator. No electrical generation is near 100% efficient. Even hydro is only about 90% efficient.

Where are you getting 15% loss? The typical electricity generation plant operates at 50-70% efficiency plus another 5% loss for transmission.

Your sources agrees with my AI link - in fact, it might be the AI source!

From your first link:

Induction cooking not only transforms the cooking experience with lightning-fast heating and instant temperature control but does so with remarkable energy efficiency and safety. It also unlocks a more pleasant and professional home cooking experience without the environmental toll. By heating the pots and pans directly instead of the cooktop surface, there is minimal energy loss, making induction cooking more energy efficient. With approximately 90% efficiency, induction cooking surpasses the roughly 74% efficiency of traditional electric stoves and 40% of gas stoves, demonstrating significant energy savings.

Second link:

A study conducted in 2014 (this link opens in a new window) (this document-link opens in a new window) found that induction ranges send 85-90 percent of the generated heat directly to the food they’re cooking. In comparison, electric stovetops hover around 65-70 percent. Gas ranges come in last with about 40-55 percent efficiency. This means that more than half of the energy from a gas range is wasted. Induction ranges are the most efficient option by far.

Third link:

While electric is certainly more energy-efficient than gas, induction is still the clear winner for efficiency. An electric cooktop allows only 65-70% of heat to reach food as opposed to induction’s 90%. This results in your kitchen staying cooler with induction than it does with electric cooking. While risk of fire is lower with electric than with gas, the risk is lower still with induction. Since the pan itself is the only heat source in induction cooking, your risk of kitchen burns is also greatly decreased.

That’s what I said is where AI got it’s source. You do need to fact check AI. It can get it’s info from bias source.

Have you played with the new temp controllable LED light strips?

LED under cabinet lighting is 10x better than the old peanut lights.

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No, but I do use LED’s cabinet lights. I’ll be installing em in couple weeks for my niece.

Check out the hafele stuff. Almost too complicated…but really cool…

Have you got a spare $3,000 to cover the electricity upgrades so I can put electric stoves in my house, since you think it’s so superior?

People can say whatever they want. If a new product is clearly better or more convenient than the older model/method, the newer will eventually take over without the need for bans or incentives. No one is forcing people to fly or drive when they’d rather be on a horse. You can still do that if you want.

I’m open to anything that is the better product. What I’ll never do is switch or buy any home with an electric cook top.

and Biden had nothing to do with it.

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Well, he pretty much had nothing to do with anything that came out of his administration.

It’s just being labeled with “Biden” because it’s typical of the libbism from the Biden era.

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what on earth are you talking about? We were discussing energy efficiency and preferences.

No … we were also talking government mandates.

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Not in the conversation he replied to.

And also - what mandate? And also - even if there was one, existing appliances would be grandfathered.

Who are you? The panel moderator?

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Nope. Just responded to a post.

Why are you jumping in? Are you a mod?

One cannot “jump in” in an open discussion forum, only participate,