Biden the NATO Traitor

e7alr · 2021-12-10T17:43:23.226Z

No, a Ukrainian Orthodox led one. Not that the Catholic Ukrainians won’t be right there with them.

e7alr · 2021-12-10T17:54:46.840Z

It could be less than that. Yugoslavia crumbled when a very long serving strongman died. Russia was crumbling when Putin took over. Who will be the new Russian strongman after him and will he be able to hold it all together when Putin is gone?

conan · 2021-12-10T18:29:35.907Z

TheRedComet:

That leaves us with only two really bad options. Withdraw, which destroys the world wide West’s numerous alliances since they would no longer have faith in the west to hold to our promises.

Actually I disagree. I would tell our European friends to stop putting American interest/security for your own damn expansionist interest. Because that’s precisely what our so-called European friends are doing. I’ve ■■■■■■■ had it with them running our foreign policy.

conan · 2021-12-10T18:34:12.851Z

JayJay:

They can feel angry and betrayed all they want at giving up their nukes under false pretense…but small powers never have a say.

I can’t believe I’m agreeing with you…but that’s the reality of it. Some here are saying what say Ukraine have…well I see it that they’re demanding a say in our foreign policy.

If other European countries want to provide arms to Ukraine insurgency…more power to em.

conan · 2021-12-10T18:46:31.784Z

YOSUP:

if they get Ukraine they would own the majority of cobalt reserves in the world.

where are you getting this info from…not from anything I’m seeing.

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FreeAndClear · 2021-12-10T18:48:53.652Z

I think he meant European. Oil and gas would be referring to Europe as well.

conan · 2021-12-10T18:51:28.885Z

He mention it couple times…referring to cobalt.

As for gas…Europeans shouldn’t have banned fracking. Developed more nuclear and even coal. They have plenty of coal.

Call_me_Ishmael · 2021-12-10T18:55:49.108Z

YOSUP:

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

Why is Biden setting up meetings and making promises and concessions to Russia without talking to NATO first? This feels like Afghanistan all over again, will Britain hold him in contempt of parliament for two times in one year? Go for the gold baby!

Biden is an expert negotiator and is cosmopolitan in his sophisticated approach to international matters. Accordingly, he has integrated into his methods those of a previous expert statesman… Neville Chamberlain, the great appeaser.

Ukraine can expect Hunter to paint them a picture that says “peace in our time” and “never to go to war with one another again.”

Oh how the people wanted to believe that old fool!

Roxiebelle · 2021-12-10T19:16:33.739Z

FreeAndClear:

Why is this awful? America first. We own nato blah blah.

Not with the idiot Biden in the WH! We had an America first CIC who put, and would have kept, NATO, China & Russia in line now we have nothing but America last dumb and dumber in charge beholding to China and afraid of Russia and probably don’t even know what NATO is!

FreeAndClear · 2021-12-10T19:25:43.041Z

Roxiebelle:

FreeAndClear:

Why is this awful? America first. We own nato blah blah.

Not with the idiot Biden in the WH! We had an America first CIC who put, and would have kept, NATO, China & Russia in line now we have nothing but America last dumb and dumber in charge beholding to China and afraid of Russia and probably don’t even know what NATO is!

The Tourette’s was asleep for four years. Worst ever, horrible. Blah blah. The record is on repeat

TheRedComet · 2021-12-10T21:11:59.867Z

I’m not so worried about them.

It’s the alliances we all (as westerners) share with portions of Latin America and Asia. The multilateral stuff.

If the West was to do nothing after openly declaring that it would fight against Russian aggression, it would make us look incredibly weak.

Which is why I don’t support any such declaration. Let the Russians get drawn into the meat grinder on their own.

TheRedComet · 2021-12-10T21:15:43.464Z

In fairness to Chamberlain, he drastically changed his tune after Hitler took all of Czechoslovakia instead of just the Sudetenland.

He and the labor party were responsible for putting Britain on an overnight stampede to produce war material and expand the British Army, Royal Air Force, and Royal Navy.

Biden probably isn’t humble enough to admit when he’s wrong. He gives off that vibe of superiority.

Chamberlain was humble enough to admit the mistake and worked overtime to get Britain ready for war. He definitely regretted Munich.

toreyj01 · 2021-12-10T21:37:58.472Z

conan:

Yeah…so. Does it mean Americans must die or go against out national interest to defend Ukrainians?

Of course not, but we need them to get out of the grips of Russian oligarchs, because they are poisoning our politics with their influence. They want to keep stealing from the Ukrainians and are willing to channel as much money as possible over here to influence that outcome.

Which means they get a gas company to hire Biden’s son, they also hire Conservatives to find dirt on Biden’s son. Which led to Trump’s first impeachment. All of this mess is at the hands of Russians desperate to keep their interests in Ukraine protected. There is a LOT of money to steal there. And as long as they stay there our democracy is at risk.

TheRedComet · 2021-12-10T21:40:16.256Z

toreyj01:

conan:

Yeah…so. Does it mean Americans must die or go against out national interest to defend Ukrainians?

Of course not, but we need them to get out of the grips of Russian oligarchs, because they are poisoning our politics with their influence. They want to keep stealing from the Ukrainians and are willing to channel as much money as possible over here to influence that outcome.

Which means they get a gas company to hire Biden’s son, they also hire Conservatives to find dirt on Biden’s son. Which led to Trump’s first impeachment. All of this mess is at the hands of Russians desperate to keep their interests in Ukraine protected. There is a LOT of money to steal there. And as long as they stay there our democracy is at risk.

Are you willing to trade Kiev for New York though?

toreyj01 · 2021-12-10T21:52:05.388Z

TheRedComet:

toreyj01:

conan:

Yeah…so. Does it mean Americans must die or go against out national interest to defend Ukrainians?

Of course not, but we need them to get out of the grips of Russian oligarchs, because they are poisoning our politics with their influence. They want to keep stealing from the Ukrainians and are willing to channel as much money as possible over here to influence that outcome.

Which means they get a gas company to hire Biden’s son, they also hire Conservatives to find dirt on Biden’s son. Which led to Trump’s first impeachment. All of this mess is at the hands of Russians desperate to keep their interests in Ukraine protected. There is a LOT of money to steal there. And as long as they stay there our democracy is at risk.

Are you willing to trade Kiev for New York though?

They are already here, and they are buying politicians and lawyers. Buying condos from Trump, etc. They own Guiliani, they own Flynn and they own Manafort. Yanukovych and Firtash have their hands all over our politics, on both sides, and their goal is to keep bilking Ukraine, by whatever means it takes.

If you think by allowing the Russians to take Ukraine these guys will start staying away, you are kidding yourself. They have poisoned the well and they like the taste.

A free and Democratic Ukraine, one that is not in NATO, should be the goal here. Get the oligarchs out, stop their attempts at poisoning our democracy and let those people enjoy the bounties their country has to offer.

Liberty323 · 2021-12-10T21:55:53.769Z

Jezcoe:

conan:

Yes they do.

Ukrainians are more Russian then French, Italian or UK. Hell more Russian then German IMO.

Well there is a reason that there are a bunch of ethnic Russians in Ukraine.

The Ukrainians got starved out by Stalin.

But…. Let us imagine that there is a majority of ethic Russians in Ukraine who do not want to be a Putin client state and more closely aligned with Europe.

What then?

Not talking about any of the other posters on this forum, but it’s amazing how few people even know about this.

conan · 2021-12-10T22:23:08.803Z

That’s some conspiracy theory you got going there…even blaming Trump for it all.

Well done.

conan · 2021-12-10T22:28:47.220Z

toreyj01:

They are already here, and they are buying politicians and lawyers. Buying condos from Trump, etc. They own Guiliani, they own Flynn and they own Manafort. Yanukovych and Firtash have their hands all over our politics, on both sides, and their goal is to keep bilking Ukraine, by whatever means it takes.

Talk about being conditioned. Sound like rambling from Joe Biden.

toreyj01 · 2021-12-10T22:30:42.988Z

conan:

That’s some conspiracy theory you got going there…even blaming Trump for it all.

Well done.

Nowhere in my posts did I blame Trump. I blame the Oligarchs who have been stirring the pot here for a long time, trying to find folks who will allow them to continue bilking that country out of billions of dollars. Trump is a businessman, he will make a profit out of anyone who is willing to give him one. And he isn’t the most ethical person, by a long shot.

These guys hired Conservative lawyers and lobbyists and promised Trump dirt on Biden’s son, and Biden was the only Democrat Trump honestly feared, and for good reason. Trump played with Ukraine, withheld needed military supplies in exchange for them opening a public inquiry into Hunter Biden, and they refused. All of this was orchestrated by lawyers funded by Russian Oligarchs, including Guiliani.

This wasn’t all Trump’s doing, he was offered something and he took it because he didn’t want to lose to Biden. And it all fell apart because the new President of Ukraine wouldn’t play ball.

These Oligarchs have no side in this except their own. Trump was just a willing partner but if the President was a Democrat, they would pull the exact same stunt. They are the threat here.

YOSUP · 2021-12-14T17:03:35.824Z

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