Has nothing to do with fascist dictatorships. It has to do with intelligence and common sense.

One of us lacks it…and the other is me.

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Not to mention over stressing the local Healthcare systems across the country.

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It is mind numbing the position some have taken when quite clearly the decision not to get the vaccination can have such a deleterious impact on others.

I’m feeling like my county has dodged a bullet. Last week our rate of Transmission Rt was 1.27. Higher than in November 2020. But because the citizenry put masks back on two weeks or so ago…that number is now 1.04 and projected to fall to .98 by end of week.

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Yes, I agree.

Anyone who is vaccinated is an ideal vector for the virus. They can get it and transmit it without symptoms.

Isolate them. Fire them. They are a threat to the community.

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It must be fun to be so soundly defeated that you now have to resort to negative sarcasm.

Say goodnight Bill…

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We are having situations now in some cities where they have run out of ICU beds. Some doctors in those areas are warning folks that they might not be able to get the care they need should they have a stroke or heart attack. And so far the doctors that I have heard on TV are saying that all of their Covid cases that are hospitalized are all folks who are not vaccinated. But on the other side there are now reports that some folks are getting vaccinated because they have witnessed the loss of a family member or friend. A sad reason but at least it will be decreasing the threat.

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Time will tell who is right.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/let-s-stop-pretending-about-the-covid-19-vaccines/ar-AANDygE

You need 20 + vaccine to get a VISA to enter the untied states.
that has been the policy since the end of WWII.

Back in the 1050’s if we were having the same type of discussions about polio and small pox vaccines I wonder what kind of world we would live in today?

Getting a vaccine isn’t fascism.
how did American devolve from this much in 100 years.

It has been much less them then 100 years. My first memories of visiting the doctor was getting the big ouch polio shot. Thank goodness that they were able to put it in a sugar cube a few years later.
Social media and the massive amount of mis-information out there is really hurting us. For people to make vaccines and mask wearing political is just silly. Trump mentioned the vaccine at his weekend rally and got booed. ■■■? He created a monster that he can no longer control. At least there are good folks in your country and ours that are calling up and asking what they can do to help our new neighbors coming in from Afghanistan.

It’s sad and costly in so many ways.

It’s anecdotal, but here’s a patient I had very recently. There are unfortunately plenty of daily deaths again so it would be hard to identify them, but I’m going to purposefully anonymize some things.

Unvaccinated 50s year old comes in with worsening shortness of breath. Positive for COVID. Imaging shows COVID pneumonia and a large pleural effusion (fluid around the lungs). New kidney failure. Has one underlying medical condition which would be considered well controlled. By all measures a low risk patient.

The patient is placed on supplemental oxygen. I take off almost two liters of fluid from around one lung. There is mild transient improvement although later that day has worsening respiratory status and increased oxygen demand.

The next day their renal failure has rapidly progressed so I place a catheter for dialysis. By this time they are agitated and delirious, no longer able to make decisions and constantly taking off their oxygen and pulling at lines even with anxiolytics and antipsychotics. Later that day their next of kin makes them DNR-CC. They now won’t be intubated. They spend the next three days in further decline, agitated and downing in their own fluids. Even with palliative care on board there are limits to what can be done without crossing into euthanasia, especially when not intubated. It was pretty horrible. They passed five days after admission.

The real kicker, and something I only found out today? They were the primary care giver for their three grandchildren.

On the human side of things it’s horrible. We knew they had little to no chance upon arrival. We tried to at least improve symptoms and really weren’t able to. They suffered an unpleasant end. Three grandchildren lost their caregiver.

On the resource side you have five days of an ICU bed not available. You have procedure rooms that require terminal cleaning after each use with a COVID patient and are unavailable until that is done. You have exposure of staff to COVID. You will have medical bills which will ultimately trickle down to the living and likely vaccinated.

So in that case, the price for the “freedom” to be unvaccinated isn’t just on the unvaccinated. It’s shared by everyone. The price for the patient was a pretty horrible death. The price for everyone else is unavailable ICU beds, unavailable procedure rooms, disease exposure, medical costs and most unfortunate in this case the loss of a primary care giver to three children.

In my opinion, that’s too high of a cost for someone’s “freedom” to not be vaccinated.

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There are so many of these stories. But they need to be told. If one story convinces one person to get vaccinated, that is a good thing. I am sorry for the strain that all of this is having on you great Care Givers.
You folks have been through a lot and now there is more pain and suffering. I am so sorry. Thank you for all you are doing. I pray there will be better times ahead shortly in the future.

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I would add the mental toll to the health professionals that were involved in the care of the patient. The cumulative toll on those health professionals should be taken for granted and certainly the health professionals should not be taken for granted.

Thank you to you and your colleagues who have worked tirelessly throughout this pandemic.

One should also not forget other workers who have been involved in providing essential services throughout this period.

Chris Cuomo said tonight on his show, “I have spent the majority of my life commenting on folks being either Democrat or Republican. Now I am commenting on folks being either vaccinated or not vaccinated”.

He needs to shut his pie hole.

He basically did what he wanted when he was supposed to be quarantined. One set of rules for the elites ya know.

He can piss off.

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Fauci is all in for mandatory vaccinations. The problem is that other countries already have virtually 100% of the eligible population vaccinated and they continue to see plenty of new cases.

Back in June he was saying 70% vaccinated with one dose would give herd immunity. The UK has over 90% of the adult population with at least one dose and they are still seeing an increase in cases.

Vaccinations are not going to make COVID go away. This disinformation on the highest level.

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Getting an abortion kills a life every single time…… yet it’s “my body, my choice…”.

Right?

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What does “virtually 100%” mean in this context?