Bernie: No teacher in America will make less than $60,000 per year

[thinkingman]

@ImRightYoureWrong

@thinkingman

i know you are paid what you’re worth. if you are not, then your employer throws away money

if you are paid too little, then thats your fault.

Ahh the infallible magic hand where everything is the poor and working class’ fault

wrong

if you really want to know what i’m talking about let me know

[Guvnah]

@amadeus

There are no more “bad” teachers than there are “bad” individuals in any other profession.

There are bad individuals in every job.

[Guvnah]

@thinkingman

My job is worth a lot more than what I’m getting paid.

how is it that you know that your job should pay more?

Lots of people think they’re worth more than they are getting paid.

If your job is worth more, a competing employer will pay you more to lure you away from your current cheapskate employer.

If nobody wants to pay you more, start your own business and pay yourself more.

If that doesn’t work, you’re not worth more.

[Guvnah]

@WuWei

Bernefits

Will use moving forward.

[Guvnah]

@amadeus

Not sure why folks are so fixated on teachers.

Topic of the thread.

Just so you know (if you missed it earlier), I think teachers deserve more pay. I just don’t see it as the fedgov’s purview to make that happen.

[ImRightYoureWrong]

@Guvnah

Lots of people think they’re worth more than they are getting paid.

If your job is worth more, a competing employer will pay you more to lure you away from your current cheapskate employer.

If nobody wants to pay you more, start your own business and pay yourself more.

If that doesn’t work, you’re not worth more.

Wow. The world is so simple, black and white isn’t it.

[ImRightYoureWrong]

@Guvnah

Just so you know (if you missed it earlier), I think teachers deserve more pay.

No they don’t. It’s the teacher’s fault for not starting their own business and taking up all those competitive offers from competing schools.

[zantax]

@PurpnGold

@WildRose

It’s basic math. You only have so many teaching positions, so many retirees, and you balance that against the number of new teachers graduating each year.

For the math to be so basic… you are struggling to provide numbers.

How many openings are there for teachers across the country?

If teachers want more pay, they should follow the lead of doctors, gain control of the teacher education and certification process and control how many new teachers come into the market.

I always here this complaint from teachers, “I have so much more education than a lot of people making more than we do, it’s not fair”, to which my standard reply is, you should have included some econ classes so you would understand that isn’t how the labor market works.

[zantax]

@ImRightYoureWrong

Uhhh no. Having a certificate in anything doesn’t mean you are out actively looking for a job in that field or practicing it.

There is a shortage of teachers. Why is that?

There is no shortage of teachers. There are some places not willing to pay market rates, those are the only people experiencing a shortage. Raise the pay enough and the teachers will show up.

[ImRightYoureWrong]

@zantax

Raise the pay enough and the teachers will show up.

Yep. Until then, there is a shortage.

[PurpnGold]

@ImRightYoureWrong

Yep. Until then, there is a shortage.

Not a hard concept

[zantax]

@ImRightYoureWrong

@zantax

Raise the pay enough and the teachers will show up.

Yep. Until then, there is a shortage.

No there isn’t, plenty of qualified applicants exist. If someone can’t fill a teaching position it is because they aren’t offering enough pay, not because the teachers don’t exist.

[ImRightYoureWrong]

@zantax

No there isn’t, plenty of qualified applicants exist. If someone can’t fill a teaching position it is because they aren’t offering enough pay, not because the teachers don’t exist.

[ImRightYoureWrong]

@zantax

No there isn’t, plenty of qualified applicants exist.

They are not applying.

They are not applicants.

Being qualified doesn’t mean you are part of the labor market.

[ImRightYoureWrong]

@zantax

If someone can’t fill a teaching position it is because they aren’t offering enough pay, not because the teachers don’t exist.

YES. Thus the need to raise pay in order to get rid of the shortage of teachers IN the school systems

[PurpnGold]

@zantax

No there isn’t, plenty of qualified applicants exist. If someone can’t fill a teaching position it is because they aren’t offering enough pay, not because the teachers don’t exist.

My state, where teachers are the highest paid in the country

California’s persistent teacher shortage fueled by attrition, high demand,...

“The teacher shortage has worsened in recent years as state funding for education improved and districts began lowering class sizes and bringing back programs like summer school and the arts, which were frequently eliminated during the recession, increasing the need for more teachers.

Declining enrollment in teacher preparation programs after the economic downturn and teacher attrition also have contributed to the shortage of educators. Teacher turnover currently accounts for 88 percent of the demand for new teachers, according to the research.“

[mobulis]

@thinkingman

@mobulis

@thinkingman

@mobulis

@thinkingman

@mobulis

@thinkingman

@mobulis

@WildRose

Only when the gov’t isn’t meddling in the market.

Well then if you don’t pay people enough you get what you pay for.

which comes right back to, people should be paid what they are worth

Employers don’t do that, they want their employees to go above and beyond while paying them as little as possible.

yes they do. otherwise employees would leave for similar jobs to be paid what they are worth.

“job market”

And yet that’s what happens.

hardly. the employee will just go to the same job nearby for more money

Except when they don’t.

which is never

Well then never happens all the time.

[zantax]

@PurpnGold

@zantax

No there isn’t, plenty of qualified applicants exist. If someone can’t fill a teaching position it is because they aren’t offering enough pay, not because the teachers don’t exist.

My state, where teachers are the highest paid in the country

California’s persistent teacher shortage fueled by attrition, high demand, say newly released studies | EdSource

“The teacher shortage has worsened in recent years as state funding for education improved and districts began lowering class sizes and bringing back programs like summer school and the arts, which were frequently eliminated during the recession, increasing the need for more teachers.

Declining enrollment in teacher preparation programs after the economic downturn and teacher attrition also have contributed to the shortage of educators. Teacher turnover currently accounts for 88 percent of the demand for new teachers, according to the research.“

Highest paid, sure, in a state that costs an arm and a leg to live in. So, not really, teachers aren’t stupid, they know earning a little more in California won’t offset the increased cost of living. So yes, that is still a low pay problem.

[ImRightYoureWrong]

@zantax

Highest paid, sure, in a state that costs an arm and a leg to live in. So, not really, teachers aren’t stupid, they know earning a little more in California won’t offset the increased cost of living. So yes, that is still a low pay problem.

It’s like saying there’s no shortages in North Korea because hey there are plenty of goods for sale across the globe!

[SixFoot]

Bernie deserves a new house.