Being a fundamentalist Christian in 2020

ImRightYoureWrong · 2020-01-17T01:13:49.341Z

There’s a reason God is a Him and Jesus was a man amirite (sarcasm meter working)

Meriweather · 2020-01-17T02:16:53.772Z

AZslim:

I would be a benevolent ruler either way.

No beatings unless absolutely necessary.

Going back to the OP of long ago…

Why do Fundamentalist believe Biblical calculations of the seventeenth century over scientific facts presented today.

Let’s look at this assessment of fact versus truth. One way a fact is described: 1+1=2. There is only one possible result…it is a proven truth. On the other hand 2=1+1 is true, but it is not a fact, because 2 could equal infinite possibilities (think along the lines 2=6-4–and infinite possibilities that also equal 2).

One of the definitions of truth is fidelity to the original standard. Fundamentalists have fidelity to the original standard.

What Fundamentalists cannot (by definition) argue is that their truths are facts, simply because there are other possibilities–just like there are other possibilities that 2=something other than 1+1.

Same with your latest reasoning. You might have fidelity to your own truth and understanding that the Bible teaches men should “rule” over women. But, as been demonstrated, it is not fact because plainly there are other possibilities which have been explained to you.

ImRightYoureWrong · 2020-01-17T04:14:30.421Z

…Huh?

ImRightYoureWrong · 2020-01-17T04:15:25.253Z

Meriweather:

Let’s look at this assessment of fact versus truth. One way a fact is described: 1+1=2. There is only one possible result…it is a proven truth. On the other hand 2=1+1 is true, but it is not a fact, because 2 could equal infinite possibilities (think along the lines 2=6-4–and infinite possibilities that also equal 2).

Therefore…the world is less than 10,000 years old? Because 6 minus 4 is 2?

2 = 1 + 1 is a fact
2 = 6 - 4 is also a fact

Why can’t they both be facts?

What exactly is your point?

ImRightYoureWrong · 2020-01-17T04:19:32.049Z

Meriweather:

One of the definitions of truth is fidelity to the original standard. Fundamentalists have fidelity to the original standard.

What Fundamentalists cannot (by definition) argue is that their truths are facts, simply because there are other possibilities–just like there are other possibilities that 2=something other than 1+1.

Same with your latest reasoning. You might have fidelity to your own truth and understanding that the Bible teaches men should “rule” over women. But, as been demonstrated, it is not fact because plainly there are other possibilities which have been explained to you.

What does having “fidelity to the original standard” in fundamentalist Christian terms even mean? I thought you disagree with fundamentalist interpretations, using the Bible as a science book. Yet, that is the “standard”?

AZslim · 2020-01-17T05:02:44.624Z

Meriweather:

AZslim:

I would be a benevolent ruler either way.

No beatings unless absolutely necessary.

Going back to the OP of long ago…

Why do Fundamentalist believe Biblical calculations of the seventeenth century over scientific facts presented today.

Let’s look at this assessment of fact versus truth. One way a fact is described: 1+1=2. There is only one possible result…it is a proven truth. On the other hand 2=1+1 is true, but it is not a fact, because 2 could equal infinite possibilities (think along the lines 2=6-4–and infinite possibilities that also equal 2).

One of the definitions of truth is fidelity to the original standard. Fundamentalists have fidelity to the original standard.

What Fundamentalists cannot (by definition) argue is that their truths are facts, simply because there are other possibilities–just like there are other possibilities that 2=something other than 1+1.

Same with your latest reasoning. You might have fidelity to your own truth and understanding that the Bible teaches men should “rule” over women. But, as been demonstrated, it is not fact because plainly there are other possibilities which have been explained to you.

1 +1 = 2 is a fact.
2 = 1+1 is a fact as well.
What the heck are you trying to say?

ImRightYoureWrong · 2020-01-17T05:07:18.992Z

Meriweather:

Let’s look at this assessment of fact versus truth. One way a fact is described: 1+1=2. There is only one possible result…it is a proven truth. On the other hand 2=1+1 is true, but it is not a fact, because 2 could equal infinite possibilities (think along the lines 2=6-4–and infinite possibilities that also equal 2).

Sorry to break it to you but…

1 + 1 = 1 + 1
1 + 1 = 6 - 4

Infinite possibilities.

I guess it’s not factual to say 1 + 1 = 2 then.

Therefore, Noah’s ark was real?

Meriweather · 2020-01-17T12:29:17.864Z

AZslim:

2 = 1+1 is a fact as well.

No. 2=1+1 is true, but it is not fact. Fact, in its truest definition has one solution. Two can be the solution to an infinite number of equations–that is a fact.

Consider the differences between truth and fact…and it may help in the understanding the religious beliefs of others.

ImRightYoureWrong · 2020-01-17T12:48:55.168Z

Meriweather:

Fact, in its truest definition has one solution.

Not in mathematics

2 = 1 + 1
1 + 1 = 2
1 + 1 = 6 - 4

All are facts.

But I get it. Nothing about fundamentalism makes sense so the “truth” has to be obscured by some weird analogy of kindergarten arithmetic

ImRightYoureWrong · 2020-01-17T12:54:03.107Z

Since 2 + 2 = 4, it’s true that there was a quid pro quo? Is that what you are saying?

Borgia_dude · 2020-01-17T13:51:01.839Z

I like the semantic mumbo-jumbo.

A fact is just something proven to be true. I just looked up the definition. No mention of uniqueness.

LeroyBrown · 2020-01-17T14:26:10.561Z

ImRightYoureWrong:

…Huh?

good + bad = The Facts of Life.

ImRightYoureWrong · 2020-01-17T14:33:45.873Z

Everything balances eventually. Thats why I get nervous when life starts going really well.

Borgia_dude · 2020-01-17T18:26:30.744Z

LeroyBrown:

ImRightYoureWrong:

…Huh?

good + bad = The Facts of Life.

That’s pretty good. It’s a fact but is it true?

rp5x5 · 2020-01-17T18:46:48.804Z

24/7 trolls minimum wage

waste of life

enki · 2020-01-17T18:59:15.515Z

rp5x5:

24/7 trolls minimum wage

waste of life

Name calling again?

Jezcoe · 2020-01-17T19:00:17.274Z

rp5x5:

24/7 trolls minimum wage

waste of life

Nah… I do this to entertain myself at work.

enki · 2020-01-17T19:03:39.241Z

Jezcoe:

rp5x5:

24/7 trolls minimum wage

waste of life

Nah… I do this to entertain myself at work.

Pfft, libs don’t work.

Borgia_dude · 2020-01-17T19:28:25.980Z

Fact is a noun.
True is an adverb or adjective.

A fact is true by definition.

rp5x5 · 2020-01-17T20:03:55.681Z

From !3th cent Japanese great Bodhisattva Sun Lotus (Nichiren)

“Again, this matter of the head being split into seven pieces—one need not imagine the kind of split made by a sharp sword. On the contrary, the Lotus Sutra says that the split is like that of the “branches of the arjaka tree.”

In a person’s head there are seven drops of liquid, and outside there are seven demons. If the demons drink one drop, the person’s head begins to ache. If they drink three drops, his life will be endangered, and if they drink all seven drops, he will die. People in the world today all have heads that have split apart like the branches of the arjaka tree, but they are so steeped in evil karma that they are not even aware of the fact. They are like persons who have been injured while they were asleep or in a state of drunkenness, and have not yet become conscious of their injury."